Cessationism (the notion that the miraculous gifts of the Spirit "went away with the death of the Apostles")

Fathom said:

Imo....the Bible's apostles may have experienced a crisis of faith when the anticipated rapture did not take place, resulting in a loss of their spiritual gifts.

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rebuilder 454 said:

I am Not here to convince you.
You would not be convinced if it happened right in front of you.

You do not investigate because you are too busy being skeptical.

David Hogan has many videos , FROM MEXICO. Over 200 raised from the dead.
ALL the miracles are happening there.
...because they believe.
They don't have hospitals and morgues or even doctors were David Hogan goes.
When someone gets sick or if someone dies, they say "go get the man of God".
If you get sick or you die, you go to the doctor, the hospital, or the morgue.
You do not depend on God, or need God in a crisis.
Your insurance, your doctors, your hospitals, All that gets taken care of.
With money.

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rebuilder 454 said:

Their writings did not suggest any such thing.
In fact there were martyrs all around them from the get go.

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rebuilder 454 said:

I am Not here to convince you.
You would not be convinced if it happened right in front of you.

You do not investigate because you are too busy being skeptical.

David Hogan has many videos , FROM MEXICO. Over 200 raised from the dead.
ALL the miracles are happening there.
...because they believe.
They don't have hospitals and morgues or even doctors were David Hogan goes.
When someone gets sick or if someone dies, they say "go get the man of God".
If you get sick or you die, you go to the doctor, the hospital, or the morgue.
You do not depend on God, or need God in a crisis.
Your insurance, your doctors, your hospitals, All that gets taken care of.
With money.

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JimKnox said:

Baloney.
If someone were ACTUALLY raised from the dead after BEING dead for days, the ENTIRE WORLD would hear of it.
((((((crickets))))))

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sondring7 said:

+++++David Hogan has many videos , FROM MEXICO. Over 200 raised from the dead.

200 people clinically dead for more than a few days kept at room temperatures ?
Supply a link to just one :)

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Fathom said:

The experience of miracles will make faith unnecessary, leaving us with no choice but to believe in God.

John 20:29
Jesus said to him, ‘Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’"

Those who have faith without needing proof are considered greater than the prophets and apostles mentioned in the Bible.

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Fathom said:

The Bible specifically mentions that James, the son of Zebedee, was martyred, but it doesn't provide information about the fate of the other apostles.

How do you know all of them was martyred?

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JimKnox said:

Baloney.
If someone were ACTUALLY raised from the dead after BEING dead for days, the ENTIRE WORLD would hear of it.
((((((crickets))))))

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rebuilder 454 said:

And yet the Cessationist, every one of them say "prove it".
IOW ,THEY, IRONICALLY DEMAND A SIGN

SMH.

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rebuilder 454 said:

Maybe your weak god can no longer show any power
Just move on.

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rebuilder 454 said:

Oh, looky here.
Jim SEEKS A SIGN.

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rebuilder 454 said:

Their writings did not suggest any such thing.
In fact there were martyrs all around them from the get go.

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rebuilder 454 said:

Yes indeed
• Peter: Crucified upside down in Rome under Emperor Nero, by his own request because he felt unworthy to die right-side up like Jesus.
• Andrew: Crucified on an X-shaped saltire cross in Patras, Greece.
• James, son of Zebedee (James the Great): Beheaded with a sword in Jerusalem by order of Herod Agrippa I.
• John: Survived being boiled in oil and died of old age after being exiled to the island of Patmos; the only apostle to die a natural death.
• Philip: Traditions vary widely, suggesting he was either crucified, stoned, or died a natural death.
• Bartholomew (Nathanael): Traditionally believed to have been flayed (skinned alive) and beheaded or crucified upside down.
• Thomas: Stabbed or pierced with spears in India.
• Matthew: Reportedly killed with a sword or stabbed in Ethiopia or Parthia.
• James, son of Alphaeus (James the Lesser): Thrown from the pinnacle of the temple and beaten or clubbed to death

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sondring7 said:

All I'm asking from you is to show where a 'gifter' today has raised a person that has been DEAD for 2 or more days at room temperature as Peter did in Acts 9.40 But Peter put them all forth, and kneeled down, and prayed; and turning him to the body said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes: and when she saw Peter, she sat up.
Can you do that ?

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