Glorify means to Highly Revere.
Men Revere / Glorify the Lord God…
God inturn glorifies such men, calling them “saints”.
Glory to God,
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For WHAT purpose Does the Lord Descend FROM High Heavens TO lower Heavens Clouds?
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Glorify means to Highly Revere.
Men Revere / Glorify the Lord God…
God inturn glorifies such men, calling them “saints”.
Glory to God,
Taken
jeffweeder
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Glorified in this case means to have a body like his glorious body. When he appears, we shall be like him for we shall see him as he is.
Surely, you do not deny this.......
Surely no need to wonder as I have plainly said… The saved are raised up glorified.
That's easy...
**Purpose:** At the time on Earth appointed by the Father, Yeshua’s mission is to retrieve and gather his people into God’s Kingdom, leaving the damned behind on Earth. This is a permanent mission of rescue and reunion.
**Method:** Today, Yeshua appears in a spirit-filled vessel or body, also known as a glorified body. To accomplish his purpose, he and his angelic “army” must pass through a portal—a passage or tunnel—into an opening in the heavens that connects to the third heaven at a particular place in the planet’s upper atmosphere.
At that time, his people, both those who have died and those still alive, are united for the first time in glorified bodies and spirits, in a form like Yeshua’s.
At his command, they rise vertically to the portal’s entrance and cross its threshold together into God’s Kingdom, moving from physical time into the timeless spiritual realm.
Agree.
Disagree. The left are uncommitted mortals… which does include …many who are Israel and Believers.
Agree their being raised “glorified” is permanent.
But being in heaven? Permanent then? No.
They return to Earth with Christ Jesus.
Yes.
No.
Later.
Sketchy.
Thanks…
Glory to God,
Taken
Stuck in an archaic and possibly ignorant mindset? Depending on religious types may have drilled into your mind? To each his own then..
I mean it's not possible to actually step on and then walk in a physical way when you are a spirit vessel and especially because the earth is literally being/ is already destroyed (2 Peter - the Day of the lord).
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Retract my thanks due to your snarky response.
Seems to you “the mind” holds Value in understanding Scripture…which is direct Contrast to Scripture, and faulty in a conversation about Spiritual things.
Again, irrelevant.
A quickened spirit filled and spirit inwelt Vessel… is Armor Prepared to the power of Demons and foolish humans.
Learning Gods Order and Way provided Every human who seeks, can discover the Lord Gods step by step Order, Way, Method… for assured security “with” Him.
FYI…
Rom 8:
[7] … the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Glory to God,
Taken
He Appears several times… long Before to exact Vengence.
Vengeance is not disputed…
Your Order and Way is disputed.
No.
I will return With Him… in my glorified body, that humans on earth can NOT see.
Seems you do not understand…”you, we, us, our”… in scripture ONLY Applies …. When “you ARE the you, we, us, our persons being spoken to.
Are you….->
1 Pet 1: [1] Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
?
I’m not.
Well, I was not expecting a reaction as yours...
Jesus’ declaration in John 18:36 that His kingdom is "not of this world" primarily emphasizes the divine origin and spiritual nature of His reign into the future, as it will never be an earthly manifestation as his Body or people with be 'outer space' in another realm. He never implied or suggested that his Kingdom with be present on this physical earth at its consummation.
While the kingdom does not originate from human political structures or rely on earthly military force, it is active today in the present through the transformation of believers' hearts and minds. The Kingdom 'mountain of Daniel' is still growing larger and larger today, and will some reach its maximum growth.
The Kingdom is described as everlasting and will ultimately be fully realized in the heavenly realm and not in the physical universe. There is no hint in Yeshua's words that his Kingdom will be on a remade physical earth in this physical realm, with new generations of human beings that would still have a 'fallen' human nature. The time for that would have past already.
Ditto.
It isn’t. But then then much of Scripture has not YET come to pass.
Not to over look… His 1,000 year reign while mortals still inhabit the Earth.
Maybe you have pages missin from your Bible version.
Hum.
Oh no… no Earth… Bummer.
Sure makes a new Earth and no Earth mysterious.
Who said it was?
Human Belief always begins with a human with a fallen Nature…
You are missing the Order and Way, according to God
jeffweeder
Well-Known Member
It would be nice if you can reference the verses.
Regardless, Paul tells us in 2thess 1 that when he does come in vengeance, we shall all be glorified ON THAT DAY.
2Thess 1
This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering.
6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.
What? Not what the scripture implies.
If you happen to be dead, your soul is with him when comes. Then your body will be raised and glorified along with the living
13 Now we do not want you to be uninformed, believers, about those who are asleep [in death], so that you will not grieve [for them] as the others do who have no hope [beyond this present life]. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again [as in fact He did], even so God will bring with Him those [believers] who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For we say this to you by the Lord’s [own] word, that we who are still alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will in no way precede [into His presence] those [believers] who have fallen asleep [in death].
16 For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the archangel and with the [blast of the] trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
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amigo de christo
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a day i have longed for , for years . Amen .
But speaking of that day , aint one ecumeincal inclusivain going up but rather DOWN on that day .
FOr any who preaches anotehr gospel calls GOD a liar . But oh yes my friend the coming of the glorious Lord does draw nigh .
Flying up will be a real lovely day .
Unseen…
John 14:
[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Seen and Unseen.
1 Thes 4:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Seen and Unseen
Rev 14:
[1] And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Seen
Rev 14:
[14] And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Seen and unseen
Rev 19:
[11] And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Seen
Rev 19:
[16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Seen
Rev 20:
[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Seen
Rev 20:
[6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Seen
Rev 20:
[11] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Seen
Rev 21:
[3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Seen
Rev 22:
[3] And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
[4] And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
“WE” who?
You…considered, you relieved, those, you who have believed…
…
Does that apply to “you” NOT mentioned…?
The “you” who have already testified AND laid down their life for Him?
… uh no.
Scripture is ALL True…Period
All Scriptures DO NOT ALL apply to all men.
Fact is…I already laid down my bodily Life unto Death…
and received Gods Gift of “soul” Salvation, via Christ…
and received Gods Gift of “spirit” Quickening,
via the Lamb…
and presently Live “IN” CHRIST the Lord Jesus’ “Risen Body”…
Until “the day”…
The Lord Descends
FROM the Heavens Above the Heavens…
TO
HIS Fathers Kingdom…/The Lower Heavens (clouds /Air)…
AND
CALLS me UP OFF the Earth…
IN
My own Glorfied, BODY…
TO
MEET HIM face to face (no vail)
AND
BE officially Adjoined
WITH HIM
BEFORE and with the Blessing
Of His Father (and mine)….God.
BECAUSE…”I prepared FOR THAT Day”
* My heartful testimony TO Him of my Belief was/ IS True…
* I already laid down my bodily LIFE unto Him
* AND thus ON the Day (per A Jewish Tradition of Pre and Post Wed-lock)…
* The Agreement is Made between the brides and grooms fathers.
* The Bride Prepares herself.
* The Groom prepares a home for His Bride.
* The Grooms servant Signals the Bride to Leave her fathers house, go to the Grooms Fathers house…prepared to WED her Groom IN the presence and Blessing of the Grooms Father.
* And THEN… GO with her Husband TO His House He has Prepared For Him and His Bride…
TO Be together Forever.
So Giving “ME” Scriptures, for … “THOSE” to consider, find relief, who believed without Commitment…
Has NO application or effect on me.
My Raising is called the Rapture…
I am already Prepared… and simply Wait for my Groom. To Finish “His” Agreements, with ALL of His Brides in “THEIR own stages of Deciding and Preparations.”
Not applicable TO ME, for that which “I” and “My Lord” has Already DONE.
Not news.
Glory to God,
Taken
Are you going to start adding some detail and explanation instead of your usual one or partial one-liners that do not impress? It seems I'm doing all the discussing here, a one-sided affair.Ditto.
It isn’t. But then then much of Scripture has not YET come to pass.
Not to over look… His 1,000 year reign while mortals still inhabit the Earth.
Maybe you have pages missin from your Bible version.
Hum.
Oh no… no Earth… Bummer.
Sure makes a new Earth and no Earth mysterious.
Who said it was?
Human Belief always begins with a human with a fallen Nature…
You are missing the Order and Way, according to God
For example, can you add to your '1000 years' of rule on this earth in the future, etc...
It would not be prudent to base one’s beliefs on a literal translation of Revelation 20:1–6, especially in its use of ‘a millennium.’ The passage is unclear and highly symbolic, so it should not readily be interpreted literally. It does not explicitly say that Christ’s reign is physical or earthly. Other passages describe God’s reign as eternal and already active in heaven and on earth, until his people are ultimately 'caught-up' out of it in the future; not as the first of two, or the 1st or 2nd of three resurrections of human souls.
The company of this literal interpretation of a future Christ millennium reign, includes Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian and Papias. It would be making a bold assumption to commit to this same view of this company as there are more passages in scripture towards denying it will ever happen beyond the ‘Day of the lord,’ of the only one resurrection of human beings.
And then why would God want another rerun of human species on this planet for another literal millennium anyway? For what trueful purpose, as it suggests clear redundancy and a digression of the sacred plan for true spiritual living in the Kingdom.
And to think that in this future, Yeshua ushers in a global theocracy from the heart of literal Jerusalem for one Millenium, aka thousand years, ending with a final rebellion, judgment, and then finally, the ‘new’ creation of heaven and earth in this physical universe, is much over-the-top to grasp, let alone believe in.
As Peter recalled from Psalm 90:4, “With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day” (2 Peter 3:8).
And Revelation is splattered with Biblical numerology, not be taken literally.
And the Millenium, also the number 1,000 represents “fullness in quantity” as 10 x 10 x 10 indicates “divine totality and fullness”. A figurative solid marker for the “fullness of time is complete”.
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A possible and a more credible view of events, although not full-proof of Rev 20 - A 1st century view only
If Revelation 20 is interpreted as exclusively about the first century, it aligns with Preterism and certain Amillennial or Postmillennial views, which argue the chapter is a recapitulation of events surrounding the AD 70 destruction of Jerusalem rather than a future chronological sequence.
Timing: The "thousand years" is viewed as a symbolic period covering the church age or the specific transition from AD 27–70, during which Satan was bound by Christ’s resurrection and ministry to prevent him from deceiving the nations fully.
Resurrection: The "first resurrection" is interpreted spiritually as the regeneration of believers or the translation of first-century martyrs, rather than a one time resurrection of literal bodies of the righteous occurring in the future.
Judgment: The "Great White Throne" judgment and the casting of the Beast (identified as Imperial Rome) into the lake of fire are seen as judgments executed upon the Old Covenant system and Roman powers in AD 70, not a future end-times event.
Theological Implication: This view posits that the millennium is already underway or fully completed, meaning Christ’s reign is current through the Church, and the final rebellion (Gog and Magog) describes the final persecution of the Church before the Parousia or the end of the age...and the one and final resurrection.
This interpretation relies on the idea that Revelation uses 'recapitulation,' meaning Chapter 20 restates the events of Chapter 19 from a different perspective, focusing on the spiritual victory achieved in the first century rather than a literal future thousand-year earthly reign.
If Revelation 20 is interpreted as exclusively about the first century, it aligns with Preterism and certain Amillennial or Postmillennial views, which argue the chapter is a recapitulation of events surrounding the AD 70 destruction of Jerusalem rather than a future chronological sequence.
Timing: The "thousand years" is viewed as a symbolic period covering the church age or the specific transition from AD 27–70, during which Satan was bound by Christ’s resurrection and ministry to prevent him from deceiving the nations fully.
Resurrection: The "first resurrection" is interpreted spiritually as the regeneration of believers or the translation of first-century martyrs, rather than a one time resurrection of literal bodies of the righteous occurring in the future.
Judgment: The "Great White Throne" judgment and the casting of the Beast (identified as Imperial Rome) into the lake of fire are seen as judgments executed upon the Old Covenant system and Roman powers in AD 70, not a future end-times event.
Theological Implication: This view posits that the millennium is already underway or fully completed, meaning Christ’s reign is current through the Church, and the final rebellion (Gog and Magog) describes the final persecution of the Church before the Parousia or the end of the age...and the one and final resurrection.
This interpretation relies on the idea that Revelation uses 'recapitulation,' meaning Chapter 20 restates the events of Chapter 19 from a different perspective, focusing on the spiritual victory achieved in the first century rather than a literal future thousand-year earthly reign.
Presumptuous for you to pretend you know my USUAL, considering your few months on this forum.
I don’t have a 1,000 year rule.
Scripture provides the extent and limits of The Lords 1,000 year reign..
Who is Sovereign KING
…Himself
Where He Is
…His Kingdom (Abraham’s promised Land)
…Jerusalem, Throne (of king David)
Limit 1,000 years…After Anewing…Forever
Who is With Him.
…His Angels
…His Bride /Church
Their Positions.
…servants, kings, preachers
Their Tasks.
…guard / rule/ mingle / preach
Where they Are.
…Earth
Who are other Earths Occupants
…believing mortals who survived the Trib.
Where they Are.
…Earth, own nations (kingdoms), own kings, own citizens (generationally live, reproduce, die)
…Limit 1,000 years.
It is Wisdom to conclude one’s Belief on the Whole of Scripture and one’s Understanding of Scripture on its meaning according to God Himself, regardless of the “topic”.
It is your prerogative, according to “your FREEWILL”, to pick, choose, interpret what you believe is symbolic, not literal, literal…
Same AS it is my prerogative to plainly, boldly SAY, ALL Scripture IS TRUE, regardless of the manner of Speech it is called.
Rev 5:
[10] And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Rev 20:
[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
[6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
“HIS Reign IS Eternal”…
The 1,000 year LIMIT… applies to … kings, priests, multiple nation(s), mortals upon the Earth.
Order and Way according to Gods Order and Way IS Paramount.
* Christ Jesus’ “People” ( His saved, His Church, His Bride ) ARE Redeemed BY Christ…
Before the Trib…
Return to Earth WITH Christ After the Trib…
Rule WITH Christ For 1,000 yrs On Earth…
WITH Him & Judged ON Judgement Day of the Resurrected With God.
WITH Him and Judge the Fallen Without God.
* Abdicate “Their” Rule / reigning
WHEN…
* a new Heaven / a new Earth / new Jerusalem MANIFEST and JOIN as ONE Holy Everlasting Kingdom…
VOID…
Of Corrupt angels and unbelieving mortals.
* Shall the ONE Holy Lord God Almighty Reign, Rule The Whole Universe…His Kingdom, Heaven & Earth… Forever….
AND
And HE Be The Inhabitants thereof God and They BE His Faithful Loyal Sons, Servants, Citizens of His Kingdom.
Bravo when One does NOT stand Alone in Christ, with God… while others choose their Standing Without Him.
Because God IS JUST, Graceful and Brilliant TO … have established a WAY for Pregnancies, births, of mankind to naturally continue… up to A Point of Absolute Separation…Without every mankind of being having Opportunity TO be included as They desire / or not.
I find your implication quite silly That God should Have Considered your Opinion Before Deciding and Effecting His Order, Way, Will.
The beauty of FREEWILL to believe as you please.
Not a NEW concept with God or for men.
Test Everything…Try it… Validate it…Before you are willing to Commit / Trust it.
1 Thes 1:
[21] Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Why do you think men…
Try being with Jesus, follow Him, before committing?
Why do you think men…
Try the Lords Blessings, before committing?
Why do you think men…
Try the Lords Protection, before committing?
Why do you think men Marry and practice Their Promise to be Committed in Wed-Lock to One Wife?
Testing, Trial, Errors, Likes, Dislikes, Following, Trusting, Committing…
Everyone in their own Time, HAS decisions to MAKE, For what they will Do (or not).
So?
With a 100 year old person, he may conclude his Time was like 25 Years.
And a 10 year old person, may conclude 40 years is like forever to him.
So… God, without Beginning says A Thousands years of Time for a man, is like a blip of One Day to God.
Maybe hard for you to comprehend… but more comprehensible to someone like …
Methuselah… 969 years old at death
Jarad… 962
Noah… 950
Adam… 930
Others 100s+
Your Prerogative, to Trust Scripture IS True, or Not.
Yet… For Gods Created and Made things to consider that pesky Verbiage of “FOREVER” and “ETERNITY” that are Equations of TIME without an ending.
Glory to God,
Taken
Well I do appreciate more of your feeback. Thx
And I did know your style as I've been 'on' this Site much longer than you think. We overall, communicated very well with each other. I still remember when you added your current Avatar soon after you started.
Great weekend, as I'm off now to do some errands and get a bit of an exercise in.
jeffweeder
Well-Known Member
I don’t keep track of Name changes, pauses, returns of different members.
Ha… have had Comments about my Avatar from A giggle to TO claim of demonic…
Personally, I like A steady Root of confidance standing, hard work and a dash of the whimsical, that reminds me the always Easy is a fallacy, hard parts come and go, and whimsical is the laughing After the “hard parts” have been overcome.
Thank you for your response.
I am often on the same book with others, just not always the same “chapter”.
I have no way to know what “others have done / do”… only the great fortune I have had of Thousands of hours dedicated to read, take notes, charts, study, consult with the Lord God, regarding His Word and Teaching.
Enjoy your weekend… as will I, barn mucking, tree trimming and burning…
Glory to God,
Taken
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