Did Jesus return around 70 AD?

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You were submitting a convincing argument until you ruined it with this part--And God sent the Beast (Roman) to destroy her. If she has been destroyed 2K years ago why is she still here 2K years later then?
Well, Babylon fell to the Persians in 539 BC, why isn’t she here today so my people can come out of her? (Currently Babylon is an archaeological site in Iraq)
 

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Jerusalem was a whore. In fact she was the mother of whores. In 30 AD she murdered her husband and she became a widow. In 30 AD the judge gave her death penalty. In 70 AD she was executed by fire.

She's still alive and has been a very long time. When Babylon is destroyed, it is permanent. Jerusalem is not Babylon of Rev 17 and none of that has happened yet.
 

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When Babylon is destroyed, it is permanent. Jerusalem is not Babylon of Rev 17 and none of that has happened yet.

Babylon in around 120 BC was devasted and desolated for a period of two ages when the land of Babylon was remembered once more to receive God's cup of wrath. The nation that gained dominion over the land of Babylon when it was remembered once more was Iraq, the fourth segment of the Daniel 2 statue prophecy over the land of Babylon. The many kings that invaded the Land of Babylon in 2003 became the fifth segment having dominion over the Land of Babylon. Perhaps we all know who the king of the north was that lead that invation.

Shalom
 

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She's still alive and has been a very long time. When Babylon is destroyed, it is permanent. Jerusalem is not Babylon of Rev 17 and none of that has happened yet.
Jeremiah 32:30-32
Indeed the sons of Israel and the sons of Judah have been doing only evil in My sight from their youth; for the sons of Israel have been only provoking Me to anger by the work of their hands,” declares Yahweh. “Indeed this city has been to Me a provocation of My anger and My wrath from the day that they built it, even to this day, so that it should be removed from before My face because of all the evil of the sons of Israel and the sons of Judah which they have done to provoke Me to anger—they, their kings, their princes, their priests, their prophets, the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
 

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You were submitting a convincing argument until you ruined it with this part--And God sent the Beast (Roman) to destroy her. If she has been destroyed 2K years ago why is she still here 2K years later then?
If Jerusalem is still here, where is her temple? Where is her houses? Where is her grass? Where is her trees? Where is that all? It disappeared in 70 AD.
 

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You were submitting a convincing argument until you ruined it with this part--And God sent the Beast (Roman) to destroy her. If she has been destroyed 2K years ago why is she still here 2K years later then?
Jerusalem wasn’t just a city and building that were destroyed 2K ago it was the people of the time, apostate Israel that are no more. See that in the verse below

Matthew 23
37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings,and you were not willing
 

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If Jerusalem is still here, where is her temple? Where is her houses? Where is her grass? Where is her trees? Where is that all? It disappeared in 70 AD.


There's grass, trees and houses in Jerusalem.

Rev 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
Rev 18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

Jerusalem is not burned down currently and hasn't been since 70AD, nor is it a port city. It simply doesn't fit the description of Babylon or it's demise.


Rev 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

No ships in Jerusalem.


Rev 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Babylon is found no more at all yet Jerusalem still stands today and is still occupied at the end of the thousand years when Satan leads an army to surround it.


Rev 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

When Babylon is destroyed, these things will never exist there again: No sound of harps/harpers, musicians, pipers or trumpeters. No craftsmen, no sound of millstones and no light from candles. No voice of a bridegroom and bride (no weddings). Jerusalem has had these things for many generations and still does to this day. Jerusalem is not Revelation's Babylon. Yes it's a bad place with some bad people. At best it's a mini-Babylon like a type of something to come.

"or by thy sorceries were all nations deceived" Jerusalem/Israel is one of those that shall be deceived by Babylon. The whole world will be.

In Rev 11:2 before the Great Tribulation starts, Jerusalem is called "the holy city" so it was considered holy even right up to just before the Great Tribulation begins. Only during the 42 months of the AC's reign does the city become "Sodom and Egypt" because the abomination of desolation causes a spiritual desolation in Jerusalem. By Revelation 11:8 the Great Tribulation is almost over. Jerusalem is never a single time called Babylon in scripture but it is called Sodom and Egypt,. Jerusalem is a literal city where Babylon is a symbolic city, symbolized by a religious whore that rides the ten horned beast. Babylon must therefore be something far larger (global) than any one literal city. She is all cities and peoples of the entire world who accepts the false religion of the false god/Antichrist.


Jerusalem is not Babylon.
 

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There's grass, trees and houses in Jerusalem.

Rev 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
Rev 18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

Jerusalem is not burned down currently and hasn't been since 70AD, nor is it a port city. It simply doesn't fit the description of Babylon or it's demise.


Rev 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

No ships in Jerusalem.


Rev 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Babylon is found no more at all yet Jerusalem still stands today and is still occupied at the end of the thousand years when Satan leads an army to surround it.


Rev 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

When Babylon is destroyed, these things will never exist there again: No sound of harps/harpers, musicians, pipers or trumpeters. No craftsmen, no sound of millstones and no light from candles. No voice of a bridegroom and bride (no weddings). Jerusalem has had these things for many generations and still does to this day. Jerusalem is not Revelation's Babylon. Yes it's a bad place with some bad people. At best it's a mini-Babylon like a type of something to come.

"or by thy sorceries were all nations deceived" Jerusalem/Israel is one of those that shall be deceived by Babylon. The whole world will be.

In Rev 11:2 before the Great Tribulation starts, Jerusalem is called "the holy city" so it was considered holy even right up to just before the Great Tribulation begins. Only during the 42 months of the AC's reign does the city become "Sodom and Egypt" because the abomination of desolation causes a spiritual desolation in Jerusalem. By Revelation 11:8 the Great Tribulation is almost over. Jerusalem is never a single time called Babylon in scripture but it is called Sodom and Egypt,. Jerusalem is a literal city where Babylon is a symbolic city, symbolized by a religious whore that rides the ten horned beast. Babylon must therefore be something far larger (global) than any one literal city. She is all cities and peoples of the entire world who accepts the false religion of the false god/Antichrist.


Jerusalem is not Babylon.
2 Kings 23:27
And Yahweh said, “I will remove Judah also from My presence, as I have removed Israel. And I will reject Jerusalem, this city which I have chosen, and the house of which I said, ‘My name shall be there.’”
 

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2 Kings 23:27
And Yahweh said, “I will remove Judah also from My presence, as I have removed Israel. And I will reject Jerusalem, this city which I have chosen, and the house of which I said, ‘My name shall be there.’”


That doesn't address anything in my post that proves Jerusalem is not Babylon.
 

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That doesn't address anything in my post that proves Jerusalem is not Babylon.
Jerusalem was confusion (Babylon). She confused (babylonized) the world with her witchcraft. Read the Old Testament. Read how Israel is described. Israel is described as ruler of the world. For example Joseph who basically ruled the world in Egypt, or for example Solomon who ruled the world. The Old Testament gives many hints. Like I said before, and this is a key to understand why Jerusalem is Babylon: The Jews were always the most blessed.
 

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Jerusalem was confusion (Babylon). She confused (babylonized) the world with her witchcraft. Read the Old Testament. Read how Israel is described. Israel is described as ruler of the world. For example Joseph who basically ruled the world in Egypt, or for example Solomon who ruled the world. The Old Testament gives many hints. Like I said before, and this is a key to understand why Jerusalem is Babylon: The Jews were always the most blessed.


This still ignores all the evidence I posted that proves Jerusalem is not Babylon. Everyone knows Jerusalem has negative things written about it.