Why I DON'T believe Cain was the "literal" offspring of Eve and Satan

Well it is not a matter of any ones salvation wether you believe this or not and I wont force it on anyone you either see it or you dont.but if you want to debate it I will argue for it. It is rather an understanding of Gods entire plan and who the principalites we battle are it is the negative to Gods positive in scripture it runs the entire lenghth of the bible we just are not commonly taught it and he has foretold us all things its just wether you see it or not. All the reasons you gave above are easily disproved in Hebrew and scripture they are all the normal replys to what you have been taught but they are wrong but you have to have some understanding of Hebrew for example you say there are no scripture that say Eve had intercourse with Satan true in English but the Hebrew says she was wholly seduced. There is also tons of scripture where people are called trees it is no differnt in Gen who do you think the tree of Good and evil is (Satan himself) he was created good and became evil. I wont go through each reason you gave believe as you like

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Once again, consider the source. God never once confirms that the child is indeed Adams. Eve makes that statement. As far as "after" making any difference, I really don't see where. God doesn't need a child to be born to know what went on.
O.K lets take what Eve says out of the verse "And Adam KNEW Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain. Adam Knew his wife, not satan. You don't need Eve to say anything Its disproved by God desired word.

I think Eve was naitive if you had sex with both Adam and Satan very close together you would not know who the father was and any babe born you would thank God forthat doesnt prove anything in fact the point everyone misses here is Cain and Able were most likley twins in the hebrew it can say after cain was born she continued in labor and had Able so if one continues in labor they are having twins so which was she thanking the Lord for Cain, Able, both? They also came of age at the same time So this verse could mean more than is saidIts not clear so this verse alone is not suffient to draw any conclusion we must take the whole of the rest of scripture to get the answers,P.S. there is also a line of thought out there that Lucifer being the anointed cherb was given Power over the earth this title may have given him some sort of authority to be called lord (sm l) in some degree by Eve much as we would call someone lord as a title in medevil times (that is one can be a lord of the manner) which could explain why she was so taken in by him.

Heres some interesting reading for you two seedline taughtin dead sea scrolls, #1Should you desire more insight on the Scriptures, I highly recommend you investigate the Dead Sea Scrolls. You should first study the history of how and when they were discovered. This can be done by reading the introductions of several books that have been published on this subject. One such book I suggest for this is Understanding The Dead Sea Scrolls edited by Hershel Shanks © 1992, published by Random House, NY. Though Shanks is a "Jew", the book is a collection from several Dead Sea Scroll authors. It is also necessary to understand who wrote them and copied most of the books of that pre-New Testament period including many of the books we now have in our present Bibles. Additionally, we must analyze the text and context of the Dead Sea Scrolls themselves. Wherever they already agree with our present Bibles, we must be thankful, but where there are discrepancies, we must resolve them. One such discrepancy is found in 1st Samuel 11:1-3. The scroll in question is designated 4QSama, and was found in cave #4. The following represents an omission at the beginning of that chapter. Please get your Bible and turn to 1st Samuel 11; then read the following in italics; then continue reading in your Bible from verses 1-10, omitting the word "Then" in verse 1:"[Na]hash, king of the children of Ammon, sorely oppressed the children of Gad and the children of Reuben, and he gouged out a[ll] their right eyes and struck ter[ror and dread] in Israel. There was not left one among the children of Israel bey[ond the Jordan who]se right eye was no[t put o]ut by Naha[sh king] of the children of Ammon; except that seven thousand men [fled from] the children of [A]mmon and entered [J]abesh-Gilead. About a month later ..." (Now read verses 1-10, and also check Josephus’ Antiquities 6:5:1):For many of you this newly discovered evidence will pique your interest. Before you are aware of it you will be deep in research on the Dead Sea Scrolls while others will shun this testimony, fearing it will undermine their mental equilibrium. Unfortunately, new insight is not for everyone, and we will always have people among us who will fight anything they cannot comprehend, or who are impervious to new discoveries of old data. Many suchlike are among the anti-seedliners.When new evidence was brought forth from the Aramiac Targums confirming an omission in Genesis 4:1 (similar to that of 1st Samuel 11 in the Dead Sea Scrolls), Ted R. Weiland, a caustic and unyielding antichrist anti-seedliner, pronounced all such evidence as "Babylonian influenced." When the Targum evidence is added to Genesis 4:1 in italics it would read thusly:"And Adam knew his wife Eve, who was pregnant by Sammael [Satan], and she conceived and bare Cain, and he was like the heavenly beings, and not like earthly beings, and she said, I have gotten a man from the angel of the Lord."The antichrist anti-seedliners point to 2ndCorinthians 11:3 and by taking that verse out of context will claim she was only "mentally seduced." Genesis 3:13 asks the question: "What is this that thou hast done?" Had it been a mental crime the question would have been, "What is this that thou hast thought?" The word "done" in that verse is #6213, and in both Strong’s and Gesenius’ has nothing to with anything mental, but everything to do with "to produce or create." In fact, Gesenius’ includes a definition with sexual connotations:"Piel, to work, or to press immodestly the breasts of a woman, i. q. ... Ezekiel 23:3, 8, and in Kal [Ezekiel 23:] verse 21 ... So Gr. B@4,Ã

What More If you understand who Israel is you will know that the Ten tribes traveled across the Caucus Pass/Mts into Scottland, Ireland carrying Jacobs pillar(pillow) these rements of the 10 tribes started many christain churchs in these celtic lands here is some info on what they taught:......................................... {Quote}The extensive research I have done on the subject of Two Seedline. I will now present solid evidence that Two Seedline is no new doctrine as some so cocksurely insinuate. I get this testimony from the book The Celtic Church In Britain by Leslie Hardinge; in a chapter entitled "The Role of the Scriptures", page 48. Though Hardinge does not trace the Celtic Church back to the Church set up at Glastonbury by Joseph of Arimathea (the uncle of Jesus)about five years after the Passion, he does, however, quite well after 400 A.D., and proficiently documents his material. In this chapter he demonstrates the various methods of teachings used by the Celtic clergy. One of those methods was a question and answer liturgy of which the following is an authentic specimen (answers in parentheses): "Who died but was never born? (Adam) Who gave but did not receive? (Eve, milk) Who was born but did not die? (Elias and Enoch) Who was born twice and died once? (Jonas the prophet, who for three days and three nights prayed in the belly of the whale. He neither saw the heavens nor touched the earth) How many languages are there? (Seventy-two) Who spoke with a dog? (St Peter) Who spoke with an ass? (Balaam the prophet) Who was the first woman to commit adultery? (Eve with the serpent) How were the Apostles baptized? (The Saviour washed their feet)."Now all of you anti-seedliners asking, "if Two Seedline doctrine is true, why didn’t the early Church Fathers teach it"? My answer is: "they did teach it." The anti-seedliners simply haven’t done their homework! don’t you think it is about time to put their feet to the fire? False teachings scatter rather than gather the sheep!Hardinge finished this chapter by saying the following: "... The Celtic Church cherished a deep love of the Bible, and from the Epistles of St Paul developed their theology. The Psalms were used in worship, and were the inspiration of poets and preachers. That Eve committed adultery with the serpent was one of the tenets that the Celtic clergy taught! Over the last several years, I have piled substantial evidence on top of substantial evidence. Now for anyone who would want the above mentioned book, try contacting Teach Services, Inc. Route 1, Box 182, Brushton, NY 12916..........................................Now I'm not saying we should take this information as scripture but when it backs up what the hebrew says in Gods Word and follows the rest of scripture teachings are we to ignore because its not what we learned in Sunday school from men wgho though good intensioned failed to understand completely until knowledge increased.

Mmmmmmm, while I would not argue that the "act" of simulating intercourse with a human is not impossible for a demonic spirit, how could it be that such a simulated act would result in life? I mean we are talking about purely spiritual beings (angels) interacting with beings that are both spiritual and physical(humans). In order for there to be a life created from such an act, something has to provide the half of the missing PHYSICAL material that the only human participant can provide. For a spiritual being, that would entail creating physcial life. Certainly a purely spiritual being has powers and as shown in the Bible can use such powers to simulate many physical things. But to be able to create or participate in the creation of a natural life is a physical function. And the Bible only indicates the Spirit we call God as having that power. The rest of the angels can have great power and simulate things, but simulating life is not the same as creating a real physical being.To me it seems that to suggest spiritual beings have powers to create natural beings would be giving them powers that God alone has.

I suggest you read Gen 6: Who do you think the sons of God are?? They are Satan and his fallen angels their off spring were giants as scripture says Fallen Angels mating with daughters of men. Thats exactly what Satan did with Eve.Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.Where is the Lord?? Can flesh enter act face to face with God ??Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.Anyone who doesnt get Satan is an Angel and he was with the other Angelscheck out out many studies annd proof of this Satan was their leader and if you want out side second source I suggest you read the book of Enochhttp://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/

well, again I ask you, if that is your understanging of what transpired, how a spiritual being (other than God) can procreate with a physical being?In the physical world, of which a part of us lies (we are spirit and body), procreation (at least for humans) requires material from TWO PHYSICAL beings. In order for a spirit to provide the needed HALF of physical material to produce a physical being, such a spiritual being would have to CREATE it. Manisfesting themselves (say in order to simulate intercourse) is not the same as actually being physical beings, it is simulated. It would take the ability to create the physical FROM NOTHING (again something which only God can do) for a spirit to be able to "procreate" with any physical being. If it were otherwise then perhaps one believes as the Mormons do that God (who they say has a human body) had sex with Mary.

Wow Kriss, you got me. I'm going to check if there is an error in the celtic/ dead sea scroll translations. If not..................... I really don't want to believe this. I don't know how I can handle a belief that half of the human race is descendants from Satan. I just.........I'm at a loss for words.

Because thats what the scriptures tell me I trust God wouldnt say it if it wasnt true again with your human reasoning God Says it period futher more he says it will happen again the Hebrew says it was the cause for the flood Noahs bloodline was gentecally pure not defiled by fallen Angels mating with women I repeat it scripture

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Wow Kriss, you got me. I'm going to check if there is an error in the celtic/ dead sea scroll translations. If not..................... I really don't want to believe this. I don't know how I can handle a belief that half of the human race is descendants from Satan. I just.........I'm at a loss for words.
Its not half just a line its the same line that King herod put in to the priest hood of the Saducees and the pharasees that killed Jesusits the same line in Rev. 2 and 3 that are called those who say they are Jews and are not this knowledge of the negative line of Satan is called the Key of David because it gives the key to understand Gods plan of this Age

Ok wait one second are you saying that Satans/cains bloodline was wiped out by the flood. Because I always thought you said it was satans/cains bloodline which crucified Jesus. How can both be true

where did I mention the flood ? yes they survived the flood and then there was also second influx{quote}Now, from here is where I started getting into less studied territory. The author of the Companion Bible points out that probably many renderings of the Nephilim (often call Rephaim) became less proper and was translated as "giant," "dead," or "deceased" such as those mentioned in Isaiah 26:14.So the mentions of these beings are found many times and this topic covers all of the known verses.Rendered "dead":Job 26:5Psalms 88:10Proverbs 2:18Proverbs 9:18Proverbs 21:16Isaiah 14:8Isaiah 26:19Rendered "deceased":Isaiah 26:14Rephaim:Genesis 14:5Genesis 15:20II Samuel 5:18II Samuel 5:22II Samuel 23:13I Chronicles 11:15I Chronicles 14:9Isaiah 17:5Rendered "giants":Genesis 6:4Numbers 23Numbers 33Deuteronomy 2Deuteronomy 3:11 (king Og of Bashan)Job 16:14Going back to Anak, his father was Arba , builder of Hebron (Joshua 15:13 and Joshua 21:11).

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Because thats what the scriptures tell me I trust God wouldnt say it if it wasnt true again with your human reasoning God Says it period futher more he says it will happen again the Hebrew says it was the cause for the flood Noahs bloodline was gentecally pure not defiled by fallen Angels mating with women I repeat it scripture
Sorry I thought the passage quoted above was meant for me

No sorry I should have put Dr B.'s name on it

Kriss,So it is your belief that God gave Satan and perhaps all angels the power to create life. And I here I thought all Christians believed that only God creates.And how did these creatures survive the flood? And looking around us how do we know the spawn of Satan today? Skin color? Size?

No you arent listening do you not read the scripture The sons of God that is the nephilim rebelled against God and had children with the daughters of men this is biblical Angels can take the form of men. did not one wrestle with Jacob visit Lot ?this is again biblical this was an abomination to God It was Satan's rebellion to destroy the seed of which Christ would come through. The fallen angels along with their leader Satan did this abdominal thing the result (off spring )was giants they were upon the earth. Do a search on Nephallim on this site or the internet. Here is what the Appendix of the companion Bible says 25. THE NEPHILIM, OR "GIANTS"Of GEN. 6, &c. The progeny of the fallen angels with the daughters of Adam (see notes on Gen. 6, and Ap. 23) are called in Gen. 6, Ne-phil-im, which means fallen ones (from naphal, to fall). What these beings were can be gathered only from Scripture. They were evidently great in size, as well as great in wickedness. They were superhuman, abnormal beings; and their destruction was necessary for the preservation of the human race, and for the faithfulness of Jehovah's Word (Gen. 3:15). This was why the Flood was brought "upon the world of the ungodly" (2Pet. 2:5) as prophesied by Enoch (Jude 14). But we read of the Nephilim again in Num. 13:33 : "there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, which come of the Nephilim". How, it may be asked, could this be, if they were all destroyed in the Flood? The answer is contained in Gen. 6:4, where we read : "There were Nephilim in the earth in those days (i.e. in the days of Noah); and also AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became [the] mighty men (Heb. gibbor, the heroes) which were of old, men of renown" (lit. men of the name, i.e. who got a name and were renowned for their ungodliness). So that "after that", i.e. after the Flood, there was a second irruption of these fallen angels, evidently smaller in number and more limited in area, for they were for the most part confined to Canaan, and were in fact known as "the nations of Canaan". It was for the destruction of these, that the sword of Israel was necessary, as the Flood had been before. As to the date of this second irruption, it was evidently soon after it became known that the seed was to come through Abraham; for, when he came out from Haran (Gen. 12:6) and entered Canaan, the significant fact is stated : "The Canaanite was then (i.e. already) in the land." And in Gen. 14:5 they were already known as "Raphain" and Emim", and had established themselves at Asteroth Karnaim and Shaven Kiriathaim. In ch. 15:18-21 they are enumerated and named among Canaanite Peoples : "Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and the Amorites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites" (Gen. 15:19-21; cp. Ex. 3:8, 17; 23:23. Deut. 7; 20:17. Josh. 12:8). These were to be cut off, and driven out, and utterly destroyed (Deut. 20:17. Josh. 3:10). But Israel failed in this (Josh. 13:13; 15:63; 16:10; 17:18. Judg. 1:19, 20, 28, 29, 30-36; 2:1-5; 3:1-7); and we known not how many got away to other countries to escape the general destruction. If this were recognized it would go far to solve many problems connected with Anthropology. As to their other names, they were called Anakim, from on Anak which came of the Nephilim (Num. 13:23), and Rephaim, from Rapha, another notable one among them. From Deut. 2:10, they were known by some as Emim, and Horim, and Zamzummim (v. 20, 21) and Avim, &c. As Rephaim they were well known, and are often mentioned : but, unfortunately, instead of this, their proper name, being preserved, it is variously translated as "dead", "deceased", or "giants". These Rephaim are to have no resurrection. This fact is stated in Isa. 26:14 (where the proper name is rendered "deceased," and v. 19, where it is rendered "the dead"). It is rendered "dead" seven times (Job 26:5. Ps. 88:10. Prov. 2:18; 9:18; 21:16. Isa. 14:8; 26:19). It is rendered "deceased" in Isa. 26:14. It is retained as a proper name "Rephaim" ten times (two being in the margin). Gen. 14:5; 15:20. Josh. 12:15 (marg.). 2Sam. 5:18, 22; 23:13.& b31 nbsp; 1Chron. 11:15; 14:9; 20:4 (marg.). Isa. 17:5. In all other places it is rendered "giants", Gen. 6:4; Num. 23:33, where it is Nephilim; and Job 16:14, where it is gibbor (Ap. 14. iv). By reading all these passages the Bible student may know all that can be known about these beings. It is certain that the second irruption took place before Gen. 14, for there the Rephaim were mixed up with the five nations or peoples, which included Sodom and Gomorrha, and were defeated by the four kings under Chedorlaomer. Their principal locality was evidently "Ashtaroth Karnaim"; while the Emim were in the plain of Kiriathaim (Gen. 14:5). Anak was a noted descendant of the Nephilim; and Rapha was another, giving their names respectively to different clans. Anak's father was Arba, the original builder of Hebron (Gen. 35:27. Josh. 15:13; 21:11); and this Palestine branch of the Anakim was not called Arbahim after him, but Anakim after Anak. They were great, mighty, and tall (Deut. 2:10, 11, 21, 22, 23; 9:2), evidently inspiring the ten spies with great fear (Num. 13:33). Og king of Bashan is described in Deut. 3:11. Their strength is seen in "the giant cities of Bashan" to-day; and we know not how far they may have been utilized by Egypt in the construction of buildings, which is still an unsolved problem. Arba was rebuilt by the Khabiri or confederates seven years before Zoan was built by the Egyptian Pharoahs of the nineteenth dynasty. See note on Num. 13:22. If these Nephilim, and their branch of Rephaim, were associated with Egypt, we have an explanation of the problem which has for ages perplexed all engineers, as to how those huge stones and monuments were brought together. Why not in Egypt as well as in "the giant cities of Bashan" which exist, as such, to this day? Moreover, we have in these mighty men, the "men of renown," the explanation of the origin of the Greek mythology. That mythology was no mere invention of the human brain, but it grew out of the traditions, and memories, and legends of the doings of that mighty race of beings; and was gradually evolved out of the "heroes" of Gen. 6:4. The fact that they were supernatural in their origin formed an easy step to their being regarded as the demi-gods of the Greeks. Thus the Babylonian "Creation Tablets", the Egyptian "Book of the dead", the Greek mythology, and heathen Cosmogonies, which by some are set on an equality with Scripture, or by others adduced in support of it, are all the corruption and perversion of primitive truths, distorted in proportion as their origin was forgotten, and their memories faded away.

Am perfectly aware of how this teaching of man is arrived at from scriptures, that was not my question.How do we recognize such creatures among us today? Skin color? Size?