The mystery of the Jews relationship with God

Easy when you come to understand who Israel and Judah are this mystery is unfolded from Genesis to Revelation God makes it clear if you can see it through the lies and misconceptions of Men .... God divided the 12 tribes into 10 and 2 .... the ten northern tribes called Israel the Two southern tribes called Judah .. eventually they were all scattered the 10 northern tribes went north over the Caucasus Mts. Into Ireland and Scotland and then to Britain and across Europe forgot who they were and eventually came to America Candada Australia and all the Christian nations mixed with gentiles and became known as Christians.... The two southern tribes Went into Eygpt stayed for some time before going to Europe but they stayed Jews (never became Christians ) God has put a slumber on this remaunt of Jews to keep the Law The Jews in the nation of Israel today are of these two tribes of Judah and Benjamin w/a few Levites thrown in the mix in scripture they are called Judah (only because its the largest tribe) Israel the 10 tribes that went north are called Israel (sometimes they are called Emphraim/mannash as these were the two largest tribes these are the sons of Josheph ) You always see in scripture it says Israel and Judah it says this because they seprate one is Christians the other Jews ... They are called the two sticks God broke this One stick (all 12 tribes) in half one stick called Judah one stick called Israel both are his chosen people Both will be rejoined together as the Whole house of Israel all 12 tribes under Christ at his coming 15The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying, 16Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions: 17And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand. 18And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these? 19Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand. anyone wanting more indepth study can read of this http://reluctant-messenger.com/judahs_sceptre_101.htm

Well christ himself was indeed jewish so i have no problem sitting down with a jewish person and talking with them, however there are some jewish people such as messianic jews and jedeo-christians that accept jesus (yashua:not correct on the spelling) as there personal savior. And for that i must applaud them. These scriptures should help though, Revelation 5:5, Hebrews 7:14, Matthew 2:6. God bless

exactly Bigape they are under a slumber(blinded) A remnant to preserve the law until the time of the gentile is over then the two sticks (Israel and Judah ) are rejoined again as the whole house of Israel all 12 tribes under Christ By the way it is the abomination of Desolation that happens at midweek of the tribulation that awakens the Jews from the slumber ... When they see the Antichrist go into the holy of Hollies and declare himself to be god ... This is Daniels prophecy and the Jews know the Old testament prophecies well they will recognize this act for what it is ...

bigape;75238]Hello gumby Nice to be talking to you. You said......I studied these Scriptures said:

Psalms 89:28-34[/B]V.28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him. V.29 His seed also will I make [to endure] for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven. V.30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments; V.31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; V.32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. V.33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. V.34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.-------------------------------------------------- And because of this promise, God is not able to condemn them, when they rejected Christ......Romans 11:7“What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded” Sure enough, “the election” are those believing Jews, who trusted and continue to trust Christ;But look at what happened to the rest....”and the rest were blinded”. They weren’t condemned to hell, and they weren’t made the same as the gentiles, but they were blinded.And later on in this chapter we find out way....Romans 11:25-26V.25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. V.26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: And why would God do this.......Romans 11:29“For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance.” And what if we don’t understand this; Big deal........Romans 11:33“O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!”-------------------------------------------------- So the unbelieving Jews, are being blinded for a season, so that God does not have to judge them.

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Ok let me ask you a question then why are there two types of jewish people then the first type being the kind that accept jesus (yashua) as there savior and the second type that dont beleive in jesus? we have to be carefull of how we judge jewish people because a lot of them worship the exact same christ of the bible as we do.

First of all, God made His covenant with Israel, not with so-called Jews. The Jews didn't come into being until approx 500 b.c. during (and after) the Babylonian captivity. God made His covenant with Israel well over a 1000 years before there was any such thing as a "Jew." Those today who call themselves "Jews" are impostors and are not of Israel. For a "Jew" is a religion, not a race. You have black Jews and Chinese Jews.... I'm sure that you haven't heard this in the mainstream 'controlled' Media, nor in the 'controlled' Universities and History curriculums. What are commonly referred to as "Jews" today are not the people that the Holy Spirit was speaking of in the Bible. In the Bible, the word "Jew" means Judean. But today (from the 1700's on) a 'certain' people adopted the title "Jew" and have moved right into the place of chosen Israel. In the Bible, the word “Jew” means anyone of the region of Judea, or, any of the house of Judah. One must take each Scripture by itself to determine which meaning is to be affixed.However, today, the word “Jew” means a follower of Judaism, which is the corrupted religion of the Old Testament era Hebrews founded during the Babylonian captivity of approx. 500 b.c. It is not the religion of the Hebrews in the Old Testament handed down from God to Moses on the Mount, but rather, it is a Babylonian corruption of that religion founded not on the Old Testament Scriptures but rather upon the Babylonian Talmud (added writings, the oral TRADITIONS of the ancient Rabbis) and the Kabbalah (Jewish mysticism). In the Bible you see the term "Jew" used quite a bit. But it isn't in the same sense that we today use the term "Jew." The Word Jew in the Bible can mean two different things: either a descendant of the tribe of Judah OR a person from the land of Judaea (the region in which Jerusalem resides, a 'county' or 'province' so to speak) but not necessarily of the tribe of Judah. it's like you can be an Irishman and live in Germany and yet not be a German. Don't let the different languages and the names in them confuse you on this. Observe: Jew: Greek word #2453 Ioudaios (ee-oo-dah'-yos); from #2448 (in the sense of #2455 as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah ["Judah" in Hebrew language of Old Testament] : KJV-- Jew (-ess), of Judaea. Greek word #2448 Iouda (ee-oo-dah'); of Hebrew origin [Hebrew word #3063 or perhaps #3194]; Judah (i.e. Jehudah or Juttah), a part of (or place in) Palestine: KJV-- Judah. Greek word #2455 Ioudas (ee-oo-das'); of Hebrew origin [Hebrew #3063]; Judas (i.e. Jehudah), the name of ten Israelites; also of the posterity of one of them and its region: KJV-- Juda (-h, -s); Jude.Judaea: 1). In a narrower sense, to the southern portion of Palestine lying on this side of the Jordan and the Dead Sea, to distinguish it from Samaria, Galilee, Peraea, and Idumaea. 2). In a broader sense, referring to all Palestine. So in the Bible when you see someone referred to as a "Jew" it could mean a 'good' one like those Jews whom believed upon Jesus Christ, OR, it could mean a 'bad' one like the Jews that sought to kill Jesus Christ: Acts 2:5 (good)5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. (KJV)John 7:1(bad)1 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him. (KJV) &nb3p; My point here is that just because you see someone called a "Jew" in the Bible does not necessarily mean that they are a devote chosen man of God, nor, necessarily an evil person with corrupt religion. You have to take each one in context of the Scripture, the Scripture will let you know which kind of 'Jew' is being spoken about. That is what "Jew" means in the Bible, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the so-called "Jews" of today.If modern day so-called Jews are NOT the Jews of the Bible, then who are they? So then, if modern day so-called Jews are NOT the Jews of the Bible, then who are they? When we see the term "Jew" today, what are they saying? Allow us to answer that with an excerpt from the Information Division, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Jerusalem, and the The Jewish Almanac themselves, lest anyone think we are being so-called anti-Semitic here: The true ‘Israel peoples,’ descended from the Ten ‘Lost’ Tribes of Israel are the Anglo/Saxons who migrated north over the Caucasus Mountains (later being called Caucasians) and settled Europe and eventually the Americas.However, the modern day so-called Jews are primarily Edomites (of Esua, Jacob/Israel's brother). A great part of the commonly referred to as "Jews" of our day are descended from the Khazar Jews of Russia. The Khazars are a Turkish people who trace their genealogy to Esau, NOT Jacob. These are facts.Christians have been betrayed and deceived by the impostors. The impostors are they who say that they are "Jews," but are NOT, and do lie. Our Lord was quite clear on the matter: Rev 2:99 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. (KJV)Rev 3:99 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. (KJV) Why haven't you heard this in your church? Ask your Pastor, he will probably tell you that the Jews are a sister religion (or worse, a mother religion) to Christianity, because he has been himself misled. You may believe whatever you like. But what is happening here is that you may really believe that you are defending the ‘chosen of God,’ (Israel) but are in fact, defending the impostors (Jews). So therefore, in ignorance, many Christians assume that someone is blaspheming ‘God’s chosen,’ when in reality, they are merely pointing out who the imposters are that are trying to steal Jacob/Israel’s birthright and usurp God’s Kingdom in the process by turning the truth into a lie and a lie into the truth. We were warned of as much so many many times in the Scriptures, both Old and New Testaments. That is the very thing that the New Testament says shall befall the last days. MYSTERY BABYLON, began in Babylon (Babylonian Talmud, the holy book of the Judaism) and shall occupy the Holy City Jerusalem with the antichrist sitting on the throne of God claiming to be God (1st Thes 2:1-4).You most likely have been conditioned (trained) to reject what I am saying as anti-Semitism. But the “Jews” are not a Semitic people! In addition to being descended from Esau, the also traced their founding fathers to the Tribe of Japheth, Shem’s brother by Noah (of Noah’s Ark fame), who's daughters Esua TOOK AS STRANGE WIVES:A LITTLE HISTORY OF ESAU AND JACOB/ISRAEL Gen 28:6-96 When Esau saw that Isaac had blessed Jacob, and sent him away to Padan-aram, to take him a wife from thence; and that as he blessed him he gave him a charge, saying, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan;7 And that Jacob obeyed his father and his mother, and was gone to Padan-aram;8 And Esau seeing that the daughters of Canaan pleased not Isaac his father;9 Then went Esau unto Ishmael, and took unto the wives which he had Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham's son, the sister of Nebajoth, to be his wife. (KJV)Gen 27:1111 And Jacob said to Rebekah his mother, Behold, Esau my brother is a hairy man, and I am a smooth man: (KJV)Gen 27:4141 And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said in his heart, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I slay my brother Jacob. (KJV) So you may let the imposters convince you that the teaching of this topic is so-called anti-Semitic, but it is not, it is the truth; and substantiated with ample documentation, much of it from Jews themselves. You must make up your own mind: Believe what you will. God bless!Nick http://www.biblestudysite.com/answers13.htm#3

Nothing personal N2thelight we agree on many things but not on this teaching of Nick G's.Esau has a direct Biblical connection to Ishmael and Ismael is father of the Arab nations and the Palestinians ... Nick is wrong in this! ... Hes always been wrong in it ...I wish you see past him on this ... Esau married Ishmael's daughter.Today they are Palistians, Arabs, and Russia and they still have that connection today.Russia is in bed with the Arabs nations just as it was in the begining ..There is nothing new under the sun ... There is no way to judge who Judah is and who those were claiming to be Jews by there location thus the name tares judge them by there works ... in these last days look around you Who is activiley working against Jew and Christian alike and thus God ?? they are not those in Jerusalem today but surrounding it just as they have always done... Palistains /Islam claim to be the true chosen people i.e. jews so to speak in the legal sense. They claim Ishmael received the inheratance and the Bible is wrong ... The palistians claim the inheratance and claim Jerusalem and the land of Israel ..Mark my words when A.C gets here they will all be flocking to Jerusalem claiming to be Jews so to speak by law, they are legal decendants of Abraham.

Well I dont entirely agree our roots are in Judaism and a tree can not change its roots it can look different when grows up from the ground but if it was planted an olive tree its still an olive tree ... However with that said ... The Hebrews/Jews follow the O.T. and the one God we do ... They are called Jews because Judah identifies who they are ... Now in remembering for nearly 2000 years they have under a slumber /blinded by God they have done the same thing as Christians ... They have listened to their Rabbis their oral tradition ..same as we have listen to our Church's our ministers ect we have both strayed from Biblical teaching to our books and traditions of men ... So it would seem Judaism is not our sister religion on the surface ... But the solid biblical based laws of Judaism are perfectly compatible with our religion ..this is why messianic Jews can accept Christ they don't have to give up being Jews to accept Christ ...It is the only other religion that can do this ... The true church, the bride and the 144,000 are Jew and Christian(w/gentile grafted in) all 12 tribes as written Judah and Israel combined together this is the prophecy of Eze 37 there can not be 144,000 from all the tribes until the tribes(sticks are made one again ... Jews as well as Christians have a hard time with this but we are the same stick/branch from the same roots of the tree ..... Its the 2000 years of both sticks following their traditions and men and their teachings that have made seem so far apart ....