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    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    I am not "opposing" Trump and his presidency...........me and others here are opposing what the so-called church, all its false leaders and followers are trying to make of it......which is only drawing the ire of God, not His blessing. He is a jealous God.
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    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    I'm not accusing him of anything here, but my concern is for the church, for believers, who are being deceived and being drawn away from the Lord. We are not wrestling with flesh and blood. However I did see a video clip where Trump was responding to reporters somewhere outside and looked up...
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    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    What made America "great" in the first place? You are asking a mere mortal to do what only God can do. Don't you believe God's word that says He is the one who raises and lowers kings and kingdoms? What did He even do to proud Nebuchadnezzar until he got that message? That you, or anyone as...
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    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    That's not the point. An idol doesnt' necessarily ask to be worshiped. Especially in the beginning. God showed me this in a dream, that Trump would be "empowered" by those outside himself.....he was just minding his business until they came along and egged him on, so to speak. The danger is a...
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    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    Marks, I just want to add, that I think in America it is harder to separate church and state in your thinking and heart, because you've been indoctrinated from childhood....to pledge allegiance to the flag and hold national patriotism as the highest virtue, etc. You equate defense of your...
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    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    This is how we may try to rationalize and justify.........AKA deceive ourselves. The devil comes in softly and slowly brother. Nobody enjoys being mistreated and persecuted, but our priority as the church of Christ shouldn't be to avoid paying the price for our faith. And just think, nominal...
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    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    Let's think about this some more. What "church" and its leadership? The true church that is in submission to Christ or the false church that is worldly? And which one do we see parked in the White House now? A "church" in bed with the political realm is not the true church. My goodness...
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    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    Yes but what many are forgetting these days is that governments are God's business, not the business of the church. As Jesus Himself is our example. Things sure were in a bad state for Israel in His day, politically speaking. How much did He concern and involve Himself with it all, being in...
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    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    You trash your own leaders when you disagree with them. And people from outside your situation are usually the best ones to watch your backs. I don't know all the ins and outs of what is going on politically, too many moving parts for me to keep up with and how can you know what or who to...
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    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    It's not something to yawn about that Trump is turning his administration into a theocracy and there are MANY who call themselves Christians who are cheering that on. There are very good reasons for separation of church and state and those boundaries are now getting blurred. And not to mention...
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    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    You are missing the point with all this, brother. Nobody here wants globalism or communism, but the problem is the church and believers are getting too caught up with these worldly concerns and not staying in its own lane. That is a snare and a deception. We are being tempted by all these...
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    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    We can pray and ask GOD for justice when it is warranted. But we as the church are to mete out mercy not justice. Justice and enforcing of laws is not our mandate......it was given to us to show the mercy of Christ, not His justice. Justice/judgment is for the Lord to mete out, which He often...
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    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    This world is full of evil brother.........but where is God in all of it? Is He dead, is He hiding away, is He without power or is He sovereignly ruling and reigning still? Are we trusting in Him and resting and finding peace in Him, or are we focusing on the evil of this world and fretting...
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    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    Out of your own mouth you compare Trump with Jesus and say he is doing "God's work" when he is doing work of the world. Just like anyone going to a job everyday dealing with practical things.....that is not God's work. Jesus went around doing good in the power and spirit of God, preaching the...
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    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    Amen. And they deny that this is idolatry!
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    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    I think you might want to rephrase this then: "Trump is God's anointed, just like Jesus is God's anointed. Like Jesus, Trump is doing God's work." As that statement stands I consider it to be blasphemous.
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    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    Wow, wow my friend. Jesus is God's anointed king of a spiritual/heavenly eternal kingdom. Trump is only in charge of an earthly temporal kingdom. Cyrus was chosen by God for His purposes but didn't know him, as the scripture says. People who know the Lord (if they do) better learn the...
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    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    Are you born again Wrangler? Did you at some point have an experience with the Lord that brought you into a two way living relationship with Him? Until you do you won't understand what people are trying to say about these things. We need the Holy Spirit to be able to understand spiritual...
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    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    People of the world have their trust in men of the world and chariots and arm of the flesh. Can't serve two masters, it's either one or the other.
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    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    That's the problem Wrangler......you consider him to be your personal President when what he is is President of a nation that is of the world. Are you of the world?