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  1. Runningman

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Yet the Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son in Trinitarianism. The Father is said to be a Spirit, and He’s holy. Jesus is also said to have become a life-giving Spirit, and He’s holy. So the Father and Son are both holy and both a Spirit, yet they are not the same as the Holy Spirit. What I...
  2. Runningman

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    That's certainly plausible and more along the lines of what I believe too.
  3. Runningman

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Yes, exactly. That's philosophy in my opinion, since the literal definition of logos would be about words, spoken words, speaking—like that idea. Yet words and spoken words aren't a person, yet the logos is assigned a masculine pronoun. This could be seen as personification, since non-person...
  4. Runningman

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Question... how many Holy Spirits are there in the Bible?
  5. Runningman

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    I don't know. The elohim who are the "us" in Genesis could just as easily be seen as the congregation of elohim with God in Psalm 82:1. John chapter 1 is about as clear as mud for Trinitarianism. Since God is defined as a Trinity of three persons in Trinitarianism then John 1:1 reads like "the...
  6. Runningman

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    It seems to have started as a sectarian movement at some point. There were clearly those who believed that because Jesus had powers, it meant that he was God, because he did the things God can do, like resurrect people, heal them, and perform various other miracles. Normal people can't do that...
  7. Runningman

    unofficial gods:

    Perhaps, but in any case there are certainly more beings, persons, entities, spirits, ghosts, gods or whatever you want to call them out there than God Almighty. People can get drawn away in any number of directions by real beings. Some of them agree with Christianity, some of them don't. Some...
  8. Runningman

    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    No he wasn’t a sinner. He was a servant in a general sense, but Paul was referring specifically to becoming obedient to death on a cross. Jesus asked that the “cup” pass from him, but what he plainly meant was that he didn’t want to die. No one wants to die, but Jesus became obedient to that...
  9. Runningman

    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    yes, scripture is plain that Jesus is God’s chosen servant. By the fact of being chosen indicates that he wasn’t always God’s servant doing God’s work. Think back to who Jesus was before his ministry began. He was himself a builder or carpenter according to Mark 6:3. He was a common man from...
  10. Runningman

    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Jesus never sinned, but God has a personal will and mission for Jesus that involved a ministry and crucifixion. God, at times, may require the same of us. Look at Philippians 2:5-11 again and observe such. In any case, Jesus served and obeyed God with his choices. Jesus could have gotten out of...
  11. Runningman

    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Hi again Mark. Before we untangle that interpretation, let's cut to the chase and look at where YHWH and Jesus are beside each other in both the same sentence and context and observe how Jesus is not YHWH. We should be able to go directly to the heart of the matter by looking at two verses...
  12. Runningman

    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    It's quite simply the same for Jesus as it would be for the Philippians, which is why Paul told them to have the mind of Jesus. Rather than living for themselves and their own interests, they instead live to serve God. Don't you think Jesus could have went off and ran his own show and lived his...
  13. Runningman

    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    I disagree with your post, as your commentary goes well beyond what is written in the passage you quoted. Why I responded the way I did was to give you what I believe the correct understanding of it is.
  14. Runningman

    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    This passage, beginning with verse 5, is about Paul telling the Philippians what mind to have. People cannot have the mind of an all knowing and all powerful God, but they can have the mind of Jesus because he's a human. What Paul was explaining to them is that the mind of Christ is something...
  15. Runningman

    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Let's see who the cursed one is; the words of my God against your religion. When does the Bible say you must believe Jesus is God to be saved? Good luck.
  16. Runningman

    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    I do have a real name of course, but Runningman is just my online handle. It can mean a lot of things. I meant it to just be about exercising or the movie The Running Man. How about you sir?
  17. Runningman

    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Jesus is not God. As you can see, Jesus is a human and God isn't. I believe you have been deceived, but I know you are just trying to defend what you believe, though you clearly don't understand the Bible. Jesus is a man who God chose, anointed, and empowered; the Bible says so. I didn't write...
  18. Runningman

    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Since we know that Jesus received all of his power and authority from God, we know that he was a man who didn't inherently have it. Could God have done the same sort of thing for any other person?
  19. Runningman

    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    According to Scripture Jesus is neither God nor the Creator. While it's true that in Hebrew literature there are many senses of the word for "god," not all of them necessarily translate to God Almighty. I have noticed you have gotten way ahead of yourself rather than discuss this calmly and I...