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If you want to insult Calvinists you'll have to find one to insult. Predestination and election is not unto salvation but unto the church. I do not know the eternal destiny of those outside the church nor do YOU, nor did Calvin. He ASSUMED they were to be damned and you hate him for that but...

so we are saved not as a free gift but on account of good works which we will do? bit like a second-hand car sales pitch, it's free, it's free ... until the bill comes in. I think there is the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman there is wheat and there are tares there are sheep and...

You blame Calvin but here you are asaying the same mistake ... where is there any scripture that says God chose anybody for damnation? it is an assumption based upon human wisdom. Where is there any scripture which says only the church will be saved? what about those who knew not the law who...

There are 4 peoples mentioned in this scripture There are the sheep, the goats there is of course the Lord and there are those whom He calls "these My brethren" If the sheep were the church He would not have said to them "in-as-much as ye did it to one of the least of these My brethren ye did...

It says we are made nigh to Israel, Citizens of THEIR commonwealth heirs and partakers of THEIR covenant of promise. In the church is neither Jew nor Gentile but one new man, I belong to the church But still there are the Jews who have promises made to them different to the promises made to...

Hitler found them, strange how when people want to insult them or persecute them thy can find them. IF it were true that there was no more seed of Abraham then God lied to them, many prophecies concerning them would not come to pass. Who? who would have been so stupid to claim to be a Jew in...

... or that strawberry ice cream was invented by Paul.

You can't just take doctrines out of the bible, it has a domino effect. It changes other doctrines and of course leaves a gap which must be filled ... with false doctrines. One great effect of the church's decision in the 4th century to drop the doctrine of the 1, 000 year reign of Christ on...

dead in trespasses and sin

Man is spirit, soul and flesh ... but our spirit is dead because of sin ... the human child actually is born dead and must be made to live ... when we are saved our spirit is made ALIVE, we are born again. what a wonder salvation is.

denominations are ok, you can read their creeds and if you agree with them you can fellowship with them.

It is not difficult at all being predestined and chosen to be conformed to the image of Christ must absolutely involve being saved ... but it doesn't exclude anybody from being saved. Do sheeps choose to be sheeps or goats choose to be goats?

So now you are saying "whom God did NOT know He also predestined and chose..." How would it be possible to preplan somebody's life who God doesn't know.? ...as if God wouldn't know :rolleyes:

That is not what the bible says, you are teaching something different to the bible The bible says the Word was with God and the Word was God.

You'll have to ask the Calvinists about their doctrine of Total depravity. You have a sin nature, you were born with a sin nature, all the "freewill" in the world can't change it. ... and you will die.

Paul gives a wealth of information about predestination and election [as is his wont] he compacts it it all into one or two sentences. Our predestination and election calling [says he] is to be conformed to the image of God's dear Son WOW what a weight of doctrine is packed in there, what a...

It's all about election. Regarding the gospel the Jews are enemies for our sakes but as touching election they are beloved for the sake of their fathers for gifts and calling of God are irrevocable. God says they are beloved, you say they are reprobate God says His gifts and calling are...

When Jesus comes to judge the living and the dead God will [says Paul] bring us with Him

what are YOU doing that will earn you salvation?