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I have heard about the early church fathers reporting that..but when you actually get down to the nitty gritty of what they believe and what they are reporting it changes things. I saw an article on this ..that addresses most of the quotes from them.

Well 1co 13 alone isn't enough to prove cessation of the sign gifts.. tongues , prophecy and knowledge gifts. So another layer to add to this for cessation is the fact that the mention of all the gifts of the Holy Spirit decrease in mention as time goes on with all of Paul's letters to the...

The moving mountains quote though is from 1 Corinthians.. not the synoptic gospels.. that is the primary passage related to the 'tongues of men and angels'. It is in that context.. 'though I speak in tongues of men and of angels ..' is in the same paragraph as 'having faith to move a...

The thing is that a mountain being literally moved by someone's faith didn't happen in scripture.. hasn't been observed to happen since then.. and hasn't been reported to happen now. So that means Paul wasn't writing about something that is definitely literal. But the other point is.. Paul is...

Yea it's accurate, clear and truthful. Which is why it would also follow that speaking in tongues of men and angels is hypothetical.. 'if I could do this' Having faith to move a mountain was hypothetical.. so then is tongues of men and angels. With the angels part being the hypothetical...

All the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him bodily. In responding to the Pharisees.. Jesus said when asked if He were the Son of God.. used the same term that God spoke to Moses at the burning bush... I AM. These aren't things you associate with someone who is just a man or lesser than the...

Thanks for the reply, Not really a fair comparison there. The faith to move a mountain and tongues of angels are in the same paragraph. So it would follow they are in the same mood/intent of 'if I could do this..' Aside from this, again, tongues of angels.. isn't mentioned as a language...

Tongues of men and of angels... When Paul is writing about this, he talks about faith to move a mountain. This faith to move a mountain is obviously figurative.. because it didn't happen then and has never been written to happen or observed to happen now. So .. since this is...

Yes context is king, I agree. Jesus as God was doing something like 'self limiting'. So He was voluntarily limiting Himself. It is an incredible thing. But not unscriptural. But the other thing is the scripture about Jesus asking who touched Him.. what is the context around that...

At initial salvation, a believer is given the Holy Spirit indwelled in their spirit. This is a gift, unearned, unmerited, unfavoured. Ephesians 2:8-9. Because the Holy Spirit is now in them, when they sin, they will be chastised and disciplined. If they keep on sinning.. don't bother to 'sin...

The bible critics came up with theories to try and disprove the resurrection: One was that Jesus only 'swooned' on the cross.. and Jesus revived later in the coolness of the sepulchre. The problems with this theory show the reality of the gospel account. Firstly, in those times even though...

Saving faith.. Is believing Jesus is God, that He lived sinless, born of a virgin, that He died and rose again. That by believing in Him, a sinner is given eternal life. John 3:16, 3:36, 5:24. Romans 10:9 to 10. Ephesians 2: 8 to 9. Romans 5:8. It's that simple. Any works are the right...

Well I actually agree with you on something! I also believe the miraculous gifts have passed.

Well there is graphic and then there is lingering on every graphic detail. But yeah it was realistic which gives the impact of what Jesus did for us.

I hope it's not as graphic as the passion of the Christ. Also the Passion had a weird view of Satan and demons. But the crucifixion was quite accurate in how it's done

The unforgivable sin in scripture was not committed by a believer. It was unsaved Pharisees calling Jesus a devil. It's not something a believer can do. If you are caught in sin, Jesus will convict you to change.. but He won't take away your eternal life. Eternal life is given and kept by...

I was a New Ager kind of, from 1999-2002. It felt nice going out in the outdoors to be with nature and meditate to be one with things like rocks and animals.. But it was based on nothing. Shifting sands. Even most of the books for New Age from Gurus would contradict each-other. I tried...

I'm part of the local body I joined.. the local church. Just as the church at Corinth is a local body. Although again calling it local is silly...since it is local by nature. I joined the Family of God before this. Not the same thing as the body.

A lost person can still call out for salvation..believe on Jesus Christ..under conviction from the Holy Spirit. I'm no calvinist. I don't believe in salvation before belief in Jesus. But scripture is plain a lost person can't attain a place in heaven.

Again this is all about eternal salvation vs daily service. Eternal salvation has zero nada zip to do with good works. It can't because there is nothing redemptive about a lost person trying to get to heaven by their good behaviour. A lost person remains lost in their attempts to earn...