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a crystal sea a river with fruit on both sides no sea at all our imagery is not always the same maybe heaven WILL be like Ft Lauderdale

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. No sea? I was hoping it would be like Fort Lauderdale.

"This is the WORK of God - that ye believe in Him whom He has sent"

And in conclusion then, the cult of Calvinism is a CROCK - a DISTORTION of Christianity and not a real part of Christianity itself.

One more thing: "Ye have not chosen me - but I have chosen you" That is literally about THE DISCIPLES - in their role as disciples - and the context is NOT about "every Christian". Yet the eisogesis of Calvinists jumps up and down on the out of context idea that Christ chooses every Christian...

it most assuredly was NOT "the truth" that I reacted to.

I have. It made me feel like vomiting.

Around 1905 someone formulated the TULIP acronym Some followers of Arminius after his death formulated 5 points of Remonstrance - there were never any "5 Points of Arminius"

'Renniks said: ↑ ... I don't think Calvin came up with the five points, BTW.' Renniks is correct - look up TULIP that lists the 5 points and see how LATE TULIP was concocted.

1509-1564 John Calvin Jacob Arminius 1559-1609 So Arminius was like 5 years old when Calvin was born You are off in outer space, Ronald, and know nothing of history - and can't even SPELL Arminius!

"What John Calvin said in His five points are what teh bible teaches, not the other way around! He simply showed what teh bible teaches to rebut Jacob Armenius." UH - one might research how old Arminius was when Calvin died to see that Calvin did not try to "rebut Jacob Arminius".

This thread is Catholic-bashy

"God had Paul write most of the New Testament ." Not true. Luke wrote more than Paul or any other gospel-writer.

I think Paul kicked against the pricks for a long time... If Paul was chosen before the foundation of the world, the grace was not irresistible as he grew up at the feet of Gamaliel - it was resistable up until road to Damascus. But really, we are not Paul, or Jeremah or John the Baptist - we...

Strongs gives TWO definitions of HELKO - of course the Calvinist does not look at the 2nd one... "Outline of Biblical Usage [?] to draw, drag off metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel" Peter drawing his sword to cut the guy's ear off - and the disciples dragging their nets in the...

My second shot is 17 March.

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I don't see that, don't believe it

Post #9 seems to make a big deal out of the assumption that James/brother of the Lord is an APOSTLE therefore that must mean a DISCIPLE. This is erroneous. Quibbling over the difference between APOSTLE and DISCIPLE is gobbledeegook. The term DISCIPLE can be limited to 12 - Matthias replacng...

I think Levi = Matthew and Nathaniel = Bartholomew. I think James and the other 3 brothers of Jesus mentioned, as well as His sisters, are from an earlier marriage of Joseph, who was a widower before he married Mary. "James the brother of the Lord" is neither of the 2 Jameses who were...