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    The Two Witnesses

    Kriss, I have been taught, and I teach, that our conclusions have to account for all the evidence. What is your response, and how does your conclusion account for the fact that the two witnesses, when killed are called, "body" not "bodies" as the English Bibles mistranslate (often mentioned in...
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    The Two Witnesses

    Let's keep this alive! samy
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    The Two Witnesses

    Revelation 11:8 (NA26)8 καὶ (and) τὸ (the) πτωμα (body-singular) αὐτων ἐπὶ της πλατείας της πόλεως της μεγάλης, ἥτις καλειται πνευματικως Σόδομα καὶ Άιγυπτος, ὅπου καὶ ὁ κύριος αὐτων ἐσταυρώθη. [1][1] Black, Matthew ; Martini, Carlo M. ; Metzger, Bruce M. ; Wikgren, Allen: The Greek New...
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    The Two Witnesses

    "I have information for you, if you care to accept it, that John the Baptist is the Elijah spoken of by Malachi". This appears to be the obvious read.It seems very strained and awkward to read that Jesus is saying here, "If you accept me as Messiah then John the Baptist will become Elijah"...
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    The Two Witnesses

    Where does it say "if Christ was accepted?" Certainly doesn't clearly say that where you are quoting from...
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    The Two Witnesses

    The greek text.
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    The Two Witnesses

    Adminstrator--you said the two witnesses are not called a body. Not so. When they are killed John says specifically that their "body" [singular] in the street of the great city (read my article again). Sorry I could not include footnotes. Of course translators have always seen necessary to help...
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    The Two Witnesses

    My zealous Christian friends--Jesus said in Matthew 11:14 "And if you care to accept (it), he himself is Elijah, who is to come. He who has ears to hear let him hear." Good sense surely is not telling you that any persons level of belief was making the Lord Jesus or John the Baptist any more or...
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    The Two Witnesses

    Concerning Elijah, read Luke 1:17. Gabriel said John fulfilled that Mal prophecy. That has nothing to do with the two witnesses. samy
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    The Two Witnesses

    "These (the two witnesses just mentioned in verse 3) ARE the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth." It is a simple fact that any two thing equal to the same thing are equal to each other. Where am I wrong here? samy
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    The Two Witnesses

    No temple to be rebuilt, according to Jesus, matt 24:1-2. Enoch is a grandfather of Abraham. Not properly a gentile. We should not speculate when Jesus tells us point blank that the two witnesses are the two lampstands that stand--and as a matter of fact in the book of revelation there are two...
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    The Two Witnesses

    truth_seekker, apology accepted without reservation! samy
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    The Two Witnesses

    Kriss, It is when you write the following, "There are two fathers, Satan is the first to come, and the Lord Jesus Christ will come second. Satan comes at the sixth trump, while Christ returns at the seventh and last trump. The truth will either turn the heart and mind to Satan, or to Jesus...
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    The Two Witnesses

    Please notice that when Jesus addresses the 7 lampstands, 5 are in sin. "Fallen," is the word chosen by the Lord Jesus in Rev 2:5, to describe Ephesus, the best of the five sinning churches. 2 of the churches, lampstands, Smyrna and Philadelphia are standing, "before the Lord," as all churches...
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    The Two Witnesses

    Jesus told John in Revelation chapter 1 verse 20 that the 7 lampstands are the 7 churches. Then in chapter 11 he tells him the two witnesses are the two lampstands that stand. That is not me, that is Jesus! samy
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    The Two Witnesses

    Excellent! You are up. Make the first point and rebut one of mine. I'll try to be kinder this time in my relpy. samy
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    The Two Witnesses

    Notice that I carefully supported each of the things I wrote. If you plan on being taken seriously please offer something in the way of reason and support from the language, text, author John, other writers or something. To simply blast away with unsupported assertion is simply internnet...
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    The Two Witnesses

    Rise and measure the temple of GodIn the New Testament, the temple and its various features are often used to illustrate truth about the church. Peter writes: "you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable...