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(FoC;51894) Interesting that youve derailed this thread so much, David My original point was whether thumbing our nose at God might include falsely accusing the brethren and youve turned this into a divorce debate. I won't derail the discussion any further, but you asked for an example of what...

(FoC;51892) Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. I wasn't referring to Old Covenant people:Matthew 19:7-9 They *said to Him...

(FoC;51889) The question is...what all does 'thumbing our noses' include ? Oh I don't know? Let's just say as a random example:Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.” I Corinthians...

(discover;51542) hiAre all creatures ( human – animals – mountains ….. )must worship God ? No. He gives us all the option of thumbing our nose at Him and going our own way, but there is a cost associated with that decision. Doing so ensures that they spend eternity apart from Him, which I would...

(RichardBurger;51884) And how, in your opinion, do we participate? Is it by works? My purpose in asking this is for you to take your statement and make it more transparent for me. As it is, it seems rather vague in description..Richard Our "works" are the fruit of salvation but not the cause of...

(RichardBurger;51835) If I have this correct, you are saying the process of salvation is accomplished by man. Does that mean man must save himself? God accomplishes salvation in us, when we make Him our Lord and walk by His Spirit, until He leads us through the process of sanctification. We...

(manichunter;51718) What is the process of salvation? 1.Is it a singular act of instant salvation upon accepting Yeshua as Lord and Savior? Rom 10: 8-10 That passage doesn't say it "is a singular act of instant salvation upon accepting Yeshua as Lord and Savior." It only says that the one who...

No, we're seeing the latter day apostacy, or great falling away.SealedEternal

Isaiah 25:6 The LORD of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain; A banquet of aged wine, choice pieces with marrow, And refined, aged wine.Deuteronomy 14:26 "You may spend the money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or...

The word Church in our English Bible is “ekklesia” and comes from two Greek words: Ek means out and Kaleo means call, and this is the verb form. When we put the two together and write the noun form of it, it is Ekklesia and means "called out ones". You are correct that it refers to people who...

(RichardBurger;51236) The scriptures say;9 and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.I gather by all the replies...

(RaddSpencer;51242) And you think we are any different from our forefathers?1. We allow abortion to go on unabated.2. We cause harm to our brother in Christ, with no second thoughts or regrets.3. We turn unbelievers away in droves due to our extreme hypocrisy and legalistic attitude.4. We are...

(RaddSpencer;51222) Apostates? Well, thats your opinion. You don't know their personal relationships with Christ. I know what they wrote about Him, and whether or not it matched up with what His Word says. However, I have a problem with your treatment of these brothers. Even if their theology...

(RichardBurger;51213) You said: "Easy believism on the other hand, claims that all you need to do is "believe" and suddenly you are born again and have eternal security. That is also false. It is through our faith that Christ's Spirit brings us through the process of sanctification, but faith is...

(RaddSpencer;51212) Talk about disrespecting your forefathers.without these men, we would have never known Jesus Christ.http://www.gotquestions.org/early-church-fathers.htmlThey were there in the beginning, when Christianity was most vulnerable to heresies and persecution by Rome. And yet you...

(winsome;51209) But who discerned what was to go into the scriptures that we have today, and what to leave out? Someone had to decide. God did. Do you accept the NT canon that was finally decided upon, and used ever since by all Christians? Yes, but it wasn't "finally decided upon" by men. The...

(winsome;51187) You've evaded my point. No, I answered it. No human determines what is or isn't the Word of God. God did that, and in a way that it testifies of itself as true and irrefutable, so that man couldn't claim to have authority over it.SealedEternal

(winsome;51200) Where have I focussed entirely on the symbol rather than what it is meant to symbolise?Here?“Baptism – water baptism – is what incorporates us into the New Covenant. It is the equivalent of circumcision under the Abramic covenant. Through baptism we are freed from sin and reborn...

I think it was only partial from what I understand.SealedEternal

(winsome;51190) So you can't explain how what I said contradicts God's word The bigger issue is that you don't have any scripture to prove your case, but as far as contradictions here are a few:Romans 4:1-13 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found...