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A couple of brief replies: Sorry, you are both wrong. The last/final revelation is by the Holy Spirit to each and every believer individually. One of the jobs of the Holy Spirit is to reveal Christ in/through/to us. Grat

Wow. For a discussion that started with “not wanting a debate”, we’ve certainly had a debate! I’m really not going to weigh in here as enough people have covered this from so many points that all I would do is add to the existing confusion. I will, however, give a cautionary note. God is...

Actually I wouldn't mind if a Satanist prayed against me. This is the case on many levels. Firstly, all curses are made blessing in Christ. Curse me all you want and watch me prosper! Secondly, I know my Dad & He's bigger than their dad. Anytime they want a spiritual punch-up, go for it, I know...

God is good. God is merciful. My wife shared with me an incident that happened while she was attending Bible College. One day the morning worship took off and ended with a number of life changing things, one of which was a prophecy that one of their number would be martyred. Initially it caused...

Sorry peoples, been absent for a month (have a look here for one of the main reasons). Where to start? It's been great to see the various veiws held and the discussion that's been generated. Well done Marksman on wading into the frey so well. 'Grat

I was trying to keep it simple. To me one of the biggest problem with getting things straight is we are dealing with a God outside of time. One who sees all of time as NOW. If I was ever to truly manage to grasp God in all His fullness this side of perfection all I would accomplish is a brain...

Well said. 9 1/2 out of 10. If I'm ever in Winnipeg we'll have to get together for a drink & a chat - sounds like I'd love it. (The missing 1/2 point is because I’m a bit pedantic. It’s not the understanding of scripture but JC himself who saves the lot.)

You have done it, fivesense. You struck me speachless. I just pray your eyes will be opened to the glories of His Kingdom and the fullness of His Spirit.

:lol: Most of the previous 8 chapters in Romans, actually. :lol:

Shouting, praising, falling mute, jumping, dancing. singing, prostrating, standing still and worshiping. That'll get me through the first part of eternity. Then there are the wonders of God to explore, I'd love to think we're able to explore all of the wonders that God's hidden throughout all of...

Good answer evanom. I'm just not convinced. I've hear all of the answers mentioned over the years and still I'm not convinced. Like you, fivesense, the parent ones clouds things for me, not clarifies. I've just been in a season of rethinking everything to do with prayer and I'm not out of it...

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. After re-reading all of 1 Corinthians 14 I just can't see how you can split it that way. To me he weaves the whole chapter together into the point he is making about the superiority of prophecy over tongues. To me he doesn’t say anything negative...

Yes it's sad. I come accross people all the time like that. Just like I come accross people all the time who have been a christian for years. Attending the studies, the services, tithing, praying, etc, and are still the same misserable so-and-so they were 20 years ago. This doesn't invalidate...

Well, as I know people with the gift of interpretation I can state that your first point is wrong. In addition I usually know – at least generally – what I am saying. This has sharpened as I have learned to move with the Spirit over the years. It has been my experience that some (maybe many?)...

If it's babble, how can it be translated? 1 Corinthians 14:4-5. Also, Paul talks here about it being a good thing. Are you saying that babbling is a good thing?

Actually I don't. I’m honestly trying to grasp what you are saying. My understanding of what you are saying (and I’m repeating this to you so you can correct any misunderstanding) is that the 3 heavens Paul refers to is the same place, but at different times in history. The first heaven is the...

I'm going to regret weighing in here, but I can't let that comment go without noting three of the many fallacies contained in it. Firstly, evolution is a theory. Regardless of how good or bad a theory, it is firstly a theory. Unlike some other items in science that are considered fact, since it...

Pegg, I'm sorry but your arguments don’t really carry any weight. The terms you use to dismiss these verses are basically the same terms I could use to dismiss all of your verses. They are all poetic, phrophetic or, as Paul (the contributor, not the Apostle) pointed out, concerning the body...

So, just to clarify what you are saying, paul was effectively a time traveler when he received his vision of the third heaven?

Sorry, but I cannot see how you get this out of the passages being discussed. How more clearly would you like Paul to say it? It edifies the believers. 1 Corinthians 14:4 If used corporately in conjunction with interpretation it edifies the body and is as good as prophecy. 1 Corinthians 14:5...