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WHY IS THE CHURCH GOING OUT BACKWARD?

I answered this elsewhere in this thread. I gave options for 'one', exegete the verse and lay it out for us.

Not necessarily. One; eis in the greek is used a number of ways in the n.t. "One" way is as a primary, another is the first in a sequence, another is one to the exclusion of all others. So pick one and back it up with something other than opinion.

Read all of my replies. I've already answered this.

Show me the word 'only'. Then show me a lexical citation of pastor that rejects a definition of shepherd. When you have those you might have something.

It doesn't say only 1 does it? You need to read the entire n.t. and not focus on one verse. 2 Tim 2:15

Where does it say 'only' 1? Youre reading that into the text while ignoring other texts that say the opposite and the greek which defines pastors as shepherds. There is one great flock and Jesus is that chief shepherd. BUT each local church should have a pastor and those pastors are called...

Context is our friend. Here Jesus is talking about the entire flock of which He is the great or chief shepherd. But as i've shown elsewhere each local church is also a flock albeit smaller. Those flocks which are everywhere all over the world has its own pastor/shepherd. This really isn't rocket...

Where is the verse that says Jesus is the 'lone' shepherd? Jesus certainly is chief shepherd but the fact is pastors are shepherds.

Poimen- shepherd/pastor So yes, pastors are shepherds. John 21:16 16 He said to him again a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Shepherd My sheep." NASB Acts 20:28 28 "Be on guard for yourselves and for all...

Well, i partially agree. Jesus is the chief shepherd but there are given in the church; apostles, prophets, teachers/pastors...for the equipping of the saints and the building up of the body of Christ. So while God has given us pastors (the greek word means shepherd) they are not our only source...

I think God is doing what Hes always done. Letting things go as they are to see who loves Him. Just like in Deuteronomy where He lets false prophets and false teachers remain. This was so the people who loved Him would demonstrate that by keeping their eyes on God not the false teachers. Same...

If that was someones actual response (and i'm not saying its not) then its a dead church, they just don't know it yet. No time for evangelism? Isn't that like, the great commission? "Go, teach, make disciples and baptize.." Everything else is secondary. I've had this conversation recently with...