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Ouch! :eek: I'm really pleased to hear you say that, Truman. Scripture is so clearly "unlimited atonement", and the idea of "sovereign-predestined-salvation" (limited atonement) is an assault to God's character. Limited Atonement (or Reformed Theology), has severe conflicts in Scripture. For...

Scripture (such as Ex10:1, Ex9:34, 1Sam6:6) says it was not a "joint-hardening", Pharaoh did it to himself. Except Ex10:1 says God did it. But the others say Pharaoh did it. Nothing says "they both did". Why won't you accept that God cannot be complicit in sin? You can't wrest one verse from a...

That is how we receive the Spirit. "The Holy Spirit fell upon them just as He did us at the beginning; ...God gave them the same gift as He also gave us after believing." Acts11:15-17 Verse 16 calls that "baptized-with-the-Holy-Spirit" -- there is no second-event-baptism, it simply means what...

No one denies that eternal life is a gift; but, see Rom5:17, saved are those who receive the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness. The question between us -- if we receive the gift, why don't we have the same volition tomorrow, or the next day or the next? Can't any gift be thrown...

There are only two "real estates" in the Universe --- in Christ, or in sin. Yes if the deceit is successful (as in 1Tim4:1, "falling away from the faith", is 100% into sin. The same as 2Pet2:18, they are enticed back into defilements -- sin.

Think about what you said -- if the writer "presumes they were saved", why would he express movement? "And FALLING AWAY" (perhaps, "having-fallen-away") -- it's not credible to try "they were not really falling away, they were never there to begin with". Further, it says...

Perhaps. (You're unwilling to interact with Post 342 "All of Hebrews"?) That is your choice. Everyone here is just a messenger. Our success is if we carry the messages He wishes us to. BTW, outta curiosity -- how did you come to salvation? If "God chose you", did He choose the majority to be...

Yes -- we are at the same risk of deception-away-from-Jesus by the devil, as Eve experienced in the Garden. How could those words not mean what they say? "I worry, that as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds should also be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion...

No, that doesn't fit -- King James says "SEEING AS", Nasb "SINCE", niv "BECAUSE", and nasb footnote "WHILE!" Consider what you understand vs what I understand: Tong: The unrepentant person is powerless to turn back, he is "unredeemable" Gadget:He who falls, KNOWS salvation, scorns the blood...

Truman, "all Scripture is inspired by God" (2Tim3:16). We take that to include the New Testament, words written by the Apostles, often including Jesus' words. If someone cites some of those "God-inspired-verses" to us, but we refuse those very verses... WHO ARE WE REALLY REFUSING?

He says "branch-ES", plural; so if it's "as-a-nation", there would have to be several nationS, wouldn't there? Suppose that's what Paul meant -- a NATION can be cut off but not INDIVIDUALS. How would that work? Can a nation be cut off unless the members OF that nation cease believing? Or do...

There are so many "OSNAS" (once saved, not necessarily always saved) passages --- previous post I cited two from Hebrews: Let's look at the entire letter of Hebrews? Starting with chapter 2: 2:1-3"We must pay much closer attention to what we have heard, lest we drift away from it; ...how...

Meaning no offense (don'tchyha' just HATE a post that opens with words like that???) -- it's really easy to brush off cited verses with a wave of the hand -- but what is the substance of that rejection? 1Tim4:1 -- how can anyone fall away from faith he's never had? Why does verse 16 warn us to...

But it doesn't oppose "OSNAS", either. Earlier I posted: Let's review the verses: James5:19-20 -- return from "falling-away-from-the-truth", and sins re-covered 1Tim4:1 -- demons can deceive many away from the faith Heb4:11 -- do not imitate Israel's disobedience & unbelief and fall and fail to...

Good post. However -- there are three separate and distinct OSAS views, and only one openly promotes licensiousness. 1. Antinomianism/Gnosticism, corrupt FLESH (fornicating carousing drunk stealing murdering) but the SPIRIT is still SAVED. Thankfully not many promote this (easy to disprove with...

That's not what Paul wrote. Excerpt: In what Universe could “absence-of-hearing” prevent believing (Rm10:14) if believing is the sovereign decision of God? Consider also the structure of the verse: ........................................that <subject> is not of yourselves...

I don't have time to spend hours surfing, but I found this link -- it doesn't say the words "Semitic View", but the principle is there. Verses 24-32 -- God's house cannot be divided, He can have no complicity with sinfulness. Jesus was white-hot-furious at the suggestion God did... God...

As we discussed, "God-hardening", is a recognized literary device. "God-hardened" (Ex10:1), is really "Pharaoh-hardened-himself" (Ex9:34). Samuel agrees, 1Sam6:6. Samuel did not think God had anything to do with it... Well sure it does! Come on -- in Jesus' words (Matt12), that would make God's...

Exactly that -- we are indwelt by the Son and the Spirit, or we're not saved. That's the issue -- a truly indwelt person can return to walking in sin, which means no longer indwelt. That's why this is important to me. "Encourage one another, lest any one of you be hardened by deceitful sin to...

P12, what is your answer to post 300? How do these verses NOT solidly warn against "turning away from Jesus and salvation"? How do they not say what they say?