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Jesus said Hell was created for the fallen angels. So, we can extrapolate from that - Hell was created some time after the rebellion, which satan started, and lost. Hell had a beginning, when Jesus created it. Then Hell continues for eternity. John

Really?? :o I guess you know better than Jesus brother....A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion. - A fool gives full vent to his spirit, but a wise man quietly holds it back. Sorry, but you have missed the point entirely. And the Lord's servant must not...

Great post brother. I was also a catholic until I realized what was going on! John

Great stuff brother. I have zero problem with that point of view. I believe we can understand the scriptures literally by allowing the Bible to interpret itself. Yes, there are obvious examples of allegory, parable and figurative language, however even where these elements are used, there is...

"The truth is, whatever the case may be, what ever argument, what ever pains and whatever generally, messages are received by people, good things are learned from our misunderstandings. We should learn to understand that not all messages are meant for us and not all messages require reply. :D...

OK, I misread your demeanor. It seemed to be aggressive when you insisted that I was demanding people to believe as I do. I can't conceive of anyone on a forum, attempting to "force" their own personal beliefs on others. Also, whenever I make a faith statement, I always include corroboration in...

Hello RJ Theistic evolutionist seem to think the name "fundamentalist" is an insult. I wear that label with pride. YES, I understand the Bible LITERALLY, and that is exactly how God wants it to be. Some of the most dangerous cults, were successful in drawing seemingly intelligent people into...

Don't theistic evolutionists see how you are adding to the gospel by demanding that people embrace your narrow view of creation? Actually, I would be on stronger ground in relation to your accusation of us adding to the gospel. I add nothing, when God says...

A word to my sincere brothers. The fact that a person would sign up and engage in discussions under false pretenses, tells us a lot about what kind of man/woman, we are dealing with. If I were, for example, a J.W. and I wanted open, honest discourse with real Christians, I would have to make my...

Hey Shane. I don't know how I could have missed this post. " Shane...This is extremely condescending brother. What are you trying to infer when you say "most eductated persons" Modern scholarship " and "Modern scholarship" ? Right off the top, I assume you mean "educated" people. It's just so...

Hi Shane. I am familiar with the historical context of Gehenna. I'm not sure what you are actually implying. Are you saying there is no eternal literal Hell? If that's what you believe, then what is the point of Jesus's sacrifice, and why would anyone have to accept Jesus into their hearts, for...

Hey Stan. Ya, in reference to your brother, that was tongue in cheek. Ya, I'm stuck on the KJV brother. The wife is probably right (as always) I'm just sort of stubborn. We have a microwave, but I still prefer to take the time to actually use the oven. I saw a documentary once and a dish of...

This requires more than a simple LOL...so I'm taking it up a few levels even though some will see it as a serious breach of etiquette - BWAHAHAHAHAAAA! Oh, whew! That feels better. Seriously though, pornography is one of satan's greatest weapons. How may good men and women have been ruined...

Good points my brothers. I am aware of scriptures where Jesus Himself goes off, as well as many other examples. My point is this though - when those instances were actually happening, the Bible was not available right? So now, if we come across any instigators, we can simply quote from...

Stan. do you have a brother? Check out the guy on youtube here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsArAugFFgE I don't know what it is about this subject, but as I previously stated, it always seems to get Christians at each other's throats. Having said that, I've read through most of the linked...

Hey Upp Brother, we seem to be reading from the same library! There's another pretty solid text called The Book of Jubilees Which amazingly, describes the same story about angels having hybrid children with human women, resulting in a terrible wrath from God. Take care brother. John

Hey brother "LookUp" First of all, I really appreciate the civilized tone in your posts, thank you. What's your name brother? I don't use wiki, it's notoriously inaccurate most times, and plain goofy at other times. I believe you may have missed my point. Simply put - The chapter in...

(Leviticus 18:1-30) 27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast...

Hey UD I think one good reason some of us are having a hard time wrapping our heads around this issue, comes from this verse Matt. 22:30, "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." Now, this verse does seem to be inferring to us...

OK, every great goal starts out with a few and ends up with a lot. Yes, they will know who we are by our love, patients, and understanding, and patients! Dan, it's ok to disagree of course, but from experience, I know I'll have to bite down hard sooner or later! We are the original 5! Let's...