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Yes that is the problem with personality types such as yourself; you think you can pigeon hole everyone to YOUR way of thinking that it is either A or B. Repentance is a change of mind that leads to a change of action; you change your mind about following yourself, you turn to Christ wholly and...

I did answer that question. It's been twice, three times now, and you are the one that created a strawman by assuming I believe someone gets to heaven by sinning. You must realize you are a sinner before salvation; you cannot stop sinning, but you do need to know you need a Savior. Once you...

Okay, so we clarified it. You believe good works *maintains* salvation ... That there is WORKS my friend.

Stopping to believe in yourself is not an acceptable meritorious act to God. They cannot save. The only thing that can save is our belief on Christ for eternal life. Your 'action' is still not a meritorious work.

So, if I obey all of God's commands - I can be saved? How is that *not* works salvation?

I did answer that question. [Despite the fact that I do disappear, I have not left the room yet.] Until you learn you are a sinner, you can't be saved ... but stopping sin is not something a sinner can do. That is only something God can do for believers.

And I've already explained to you - no where in the Bible do we read that unbelievers can slay their own idols. If that's a work to merit salvation - it can't be done.

Thank you for the welcome. :) Absolutely no relation to Philip or Brendan. :)

What does that even mean? Are you saying someone has to "reform" their inner lives before getting saved? If so, there's a whole lot of us going to the flames ...

Not in every case. There are times divine fire is used as judgment against believers.

This is precisely the problem I pointed out to you before; that the moment someone comes up and says: "Hey man, did you know all you got to do is believe on Christ and His cross for eterna life" that naysayers come out and say "So what you're saying is you can sin your way into heaven? What...

* If we are saved by internal works, we are all going to hell. No one can do an internal work to be saved. We can't slay our idols, we can't slay our egos. The only thing we can do is *turn* from trusting in ourselves and *turn* to trusting in God. *As already explained, by your fruit you...

This is where you err. No one ever said there should *not* be fruit in a believer's life. It seems anytime someone comes up with the pure gospel of God's love and grace and they even *hint* at the idea that we cannot gain *or* maintain our salvation by our works, that must mean we believe in...

Yes see, this is another characteristic of Lordship Salvationists. Very confusing. You can't honestly answer my question with a "No, I don't believe in a works salvation" because you believe 'works' are involved. How is this any different from Rome or the vast majority of Calvinists and...

Okay - so just to be clear - the act of walking in the light is a *requirement* for salvation? So just to be double clear - you believe in a works gospel?

So you would condemn someone to hell because they don't "look" like a Christian in your estimation? This is a precise question. By the way, the fruit of John 15 - Jesus is speaking to the 11 *disciples*, *not* pretend believers. We know this from John 14:20 because He speaks there of the...

Yes ... backloading the gospel and failing to see the difference between salvation and discipleship. While Lordship Salvation proponents might say "no works can get you saved", yet - they are constantly 'examining' other people's 'fruits' under the guise of 'evidence of salvation'. The real...

OP: Lordship salvation at its finest.

Good morning; while I have had an account here for sometime - I am just starting to explore and look around for an online Christian family. I hope you are all doing well this morning in Christ. - Peter James

You have done the right thing Mayflower ... I too will stop looking at dreams and look at God's word.