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  1. epostle

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    I didn't say there were no fake relics; I said find some and we can discuss it rationally. A lot of crazy things went on in the middle ages, but that does not discredit the thousands of miracles, mostly undocumented, from authentic relics. I like the last line: It adopted the view that all the...
  2. epostle

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    But you don't cite "fake miracles", you just assert it. Why don't you find an instance of "fake miracles" and we can discuss it rationally, instead of making it up? And what is a "fake relic"? Another rabbit hole to derail the discussion? That is a phrase taken out of context, and I know of no...
  3. epostle

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    To those who believe, evidence is not necessary. To those who refuse to believe, no amount of evidence will suffice. Validation through science is for unbelievers, not believers. I don't create an entire off topic theology over one verse. Learn the difference between what is explicit and what...
  4. epostle

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    Nonsense. Iconoclasm was deemed heretical. The schism occurred 4 centuries later, and had nothing to do with images. For many westerners, and in the Orthodox folklore, icons are the Eastern substitute for statues commonly, and erroneously, believed to the forbidden in the Orthodox Church...
  5. epostle

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    An excellent site. First of all, it’s wrong to say that no one can comment on a thing without firsthand experience. That’s like the pro-aborts saying that men can’t talk about abortion because they are not women. It’s a fallacy. I agree that there can be undue skepticism (and in this case...
  6. epostle

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    There are plenty of miracles in history that they "said so at once" and plenty of fakes. A person can claim they have been healed of cancer, but unless medical science proves they had cancer in the first place, then the healing is merely a claim. (1) Miracles are defined as: instances where...
  7. epostle

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    According to you, symbols are meaningless, and everybody could read. This is absurd. You deny the evidence, deny historical facts, which makes discussion impossible. +++ Art is an amazing way through which we may better pray and contemplate the depths of Christianity. Although there are many...
  8. epostle

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    That doesn't disprove miracles, which has nothing to do with the current discussion. Scientists are called in to disprove fraud, yet you find fault with that. There have been many fraudulent claims, which is why the Church is so careful. Then you don't know your Bible. Sheer nonsense. What was...
  9. epostle

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    I concede. The Church has changed, but no changes have ever been made to the essence of the deposit of faith, given to us by Jesus and the Apostles.
  10. epostle

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    Then you should have no problem finding ONE ECF that opposed infant baptism. Good luck, you will need it. If the Council of Carthage of 253 A.D. (post 991)isn't enough, nothing will satisfy you. This doesn't prove the bishop was wrong, it proves the Church is very cautious about approving...
  11. epostle

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    So you "got saved" outside the Church, and automatically assume there is no salvation IN the Church you left. This is a doctrine you have created and you are not being fair.
  12. epostle

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    Divorced Catholics, seeking annulment and attending Mass regularly, have had their lives ravaged. They need mercy, not rules. We don't shoot our wounded. Denying them communion on assuming they are in a state of mortal sin is phariseeism, IMO, because the Church cannot say who is and who isn't...
  13. epostle

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    No one objected to infant baptism for 16 centuries. Luther and Calvin baptized infants (although Calvin rejected baptismal regeneration). After them, objection to infant baptism didn't take root until the 17th century, meaning it is a tradition of men, in the light of scriptural inferences and...
  14. epostle

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    It took arguably longer for the doctrine of Original Sin to develop, which is accepted by most Protestants. It seems like an inconsistency to me.
  15. epostle

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    No. There is no salvation outside the church because that is what the Apostles taught. The phrase was coined before the reformation. Vatican II reformulated Trent with a milder tone, but taught the same thing. 817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose...
  16. epostle

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    Gen. 50:10; Num. 20:29; Deut. 34:8 – here are some examples of ritual prayer and penitent mourning for the dead for specific periods of time. The Jewish understanding of these practices was that the prayers freed the souls from their painful state of purification, and expedited their journey to...
  17. epostle

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    In Jewish tradition in kernel form, evidenced by the Book of Maccabees, conveniently trashed by Luther. I don't care if some people think that book is not inspired, but to reject Jewish history is throwing the baby out with the bath water.
  18. epostle

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    You are being obtuse. There were no churches for the first 3 centuries BECAUSE ASSEMBLIES WERE ILLEGAL. The catacombs were a place of refuge from pagan Roman persecution. It's basic Christian History 101. The Roman Catacombs is hard physical archeological evidence of the Catholicity of the early...
  19. epostle

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    Peter, James, and John, with the other Apostles and elders, made up the "Magisterium" at the Council of Jerusalem. The WORD developed, the meaning was always there. The Cambridge English Dictionary did not exist then. In fact, English did not exist then. You are playing word games, not me. How...
  20. epostle

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    If anything must be described, then, as a corruption of primitive, pure Christianity, it is Protestantism, not Catholicism, since it introduced a radically new mode of Christian authority which was a 180-degree departure from the established Christian Tradition: that of subjective, private...