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  1. J

    Isaiah 17 war

    I think you fail to see my point. If God is both Just and True as He says He then the righteous MUST be given a means to escape the wrath that comes with the Great Tribulation. The righteous faithful won't BE here to receive the mark if the escape is provided. That's my entire point. You're...
  2. J

    Isaiah 17 war

    I'd like to thank you as well. I'd like to thank you for showing me the arrogance that can be bread when someone doesn't reason through their faith. Logic and faith are not antithesis to each other. I've explained several times how I came to my conclusions through faith, logic and reason. You...
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    Blessed Are The Peacemakers

    Not at all.. War and death will only truly end at His glorious return. Yes peace is preferable to war, but not if that peace comes with a price tag of compromise of our princples. I detest real world violence with a passion; however I also understand that it is necessary at times in order to...
  4. J

    Isaiah 17 war

    My opinion about the Rapture is guided by my understanding of God's nature and the pattern that He has shown me in His behaviour. It is based on the logic of His nature and pattern. I've said that multiple time, but I'll explain it again. God ALWAYS, and without fail, provides a way for the...
  5. J

    Isaiah 17 war

    So what you're saying is that Revelation is wrong then. It says, quite plainly that the breaking of the seventh seal marks the beginning of the trumpets. I haven't misread that it says it. Seals, trumpets, then bowls in that order, that's how they're presented.BTW age has nothing to do with it...
  6. J

    America Was Not Founded Upon Godly Principles.

    America was never founded as a theocracy. I don't think anyone has claimed that.However the republic that was founded was grouned in Biblical principles, something that Chesterton noted was proof that our Constitution was dogmaticly correct.I believe it was Paul who wrote that Christ came that...
  7. J

    Jesus Never "Chatted."

    Personally I find some of the arrogance displayed here to be astounding. I can't say whethere or not Jesus had normal conversations with people about things, I wasn't there and the writers didn't record such events. I trust God in this and I thank Him that I was blessed with an imagination so...
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    Hal Lindsey video

    I'm not so apt to trust Hal Lindsey, at times in the past he claimed to know when the Lord was coming again and the date of the Rapture, both have since passed but the fact remains that he tries to predict the second coming. Jesus said that no man knoweth the day or the hour. I can't bring...
  9. J

    "Could God create a rock so heavy He could not lift it?"

    I was asked this once and I told the person that I refused to answer. The whole question is a logical fallacy and the people asking often know that it is. Its a nonsense question designed to get people talking about what God can and cannot do instead of the real issue of His Divine plan and Will...
  10. J

    I'm stuck with a moral question and I need help: The Sinking Lifeboat

    To be perfectly honest I don't know what I would do in that situation. Maybe that makes me a bad Christian, I don't know. I figured you wanted an honest answer and that's the only one I can give.
  11. J

    Isaiah 17 war

    Let me explain this one more time for you.1. I have read and re-read the book of Revelation. 2. It states, quite clearly, that the trumpets are sounded AFTER the seven seals.3. After the seven trumpets come the seven bowls of God's wrath.There will be death and destruction on a massive scale...
  12. J

    Why all the focus on homosexuality?

    This is one of those issues I, personally, don't talk about much. The Holy Spirit must convict someone on it. I'm never sure what to say and that's usually a good indication I should keep my mouth shut.
  13. J

    Isaiah 17 war

    I read it exactly how it is written. That's why I'm so stubborn, I know when I'm right.As for this thread, and maybe even this forum I am done. It is precisely this level of arrogance and refusal to answer questions that drove me out of the church to begin with. I didn't tolerate it then and I...
  14. J

    Isaiah 17 war

    It is becoming increasingly obvious that you belive that your, and only your, interpretation of the Bible is the correct one. At least in your mind. I, however, am a literalist. The Bible says the trumpets come after the seals so that's what I believe and I will not be budged on that.I am the...
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    Why all the focus on homosexuality?

    I've always thought that we were to extend the loving hand of Christ to everyone, regardless of anything else. They will know we are Christians by our love. I do agree that people need to be warned about the fruits of their behaviour but I think we can do so without being ugly or meanspirited to...
  16. J

    Isaiah 17 war

    Actually no I won't place them because you wouldn't believe me anyway. God would convict my heart if I had misinterpreted what I think. I believe that to the core of my being. I've explained my rationale only to be told that there was no difference between the context of escaping the wrath of...
  17. J

    Isaiah 17 war

    No you have not, and as a Christian I rebuke it.The Bible CLEARLY and, without any confusion states that the breaking of the seventh seal marks the beginning of the seven trumpets. I've read it and I understand what it means. I've read the book of Revelation several times as its one my favorite...
  18. J

    Isaiah 17 war

    I'm sorry but you are, again, mistaken.The timeline, as in the Bible: Book of Revelation starting in Chapter 6, it goes like this.Seals 1-6, interlude, seal 7 and beginning of the 7 trumpets.Trumpets 1-6, Angel and the Little Book, the two witnesses, 7th trumpetThere are also 7 plagues and 7...
  19. J

    Isaiah 17 war

    I'm sorry but you are mistaken. Read Revelation Chapter 5 and up. The outpouring of God's wrath begins with the breaking of the seven seals which are in this order1st Seal: The False Christ2nd Seal: War3rd Seal: Famine4th Seal: Death5th Seal: The Raising of the Martyrs into Heaven6th Seal...
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    America Was Not Founded Upon Godly Principles.

    I guess it must be nice to lead sinless lives and be perfect here on earth. To be able to determine who was and wasn't a Christian post mortem must be a great talent. *sarcasm mode off*The founding fathers weren't perfect, nor were they sinless. They did however found a nation based on the God...