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not pre-trib nor trib nor post trib, sorry you lose

be it as it is, incest is what YOU say and allow yourself to believe. it is NOT god's word. interpret as you may. i only believe what is written in the bible. see ya

"And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him." What did Ham do? Did he just look at his naked father or was there something more to it than that? Some commentators have suggested that Ham committed homosexual rape on his drunken father, and that this was why...

please post scripture that supports the allegation that canaan was ham's son by noah's wife. maybe a motive to fabricate such a misled story, but nevertheless, untrue.

please show me by scripture reference where a crime was "actually" committed. note the scripture says that ham "saw" his father's nakedness, not "uncovered" it. and what crime, if any did "cainan" comit?

exactly the son should not be held accountable for the doings of his father. that was one of the mosaic laws. the punishment here does not fit the crime, and based on the scriptural account, no crime had been comitted anyways. something is missing here

i know only what is written in the bible and there is nothing in the bible that even hints to the accusations that have been posted hear. the scriptures are plain and simple and nothing needs to be read into it. ham did NOTHING wrong. he just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time...

oh no, the iggy list..........what will i do? does that mean youll go away? take your toys and go home.

i wont play your childish and unchristianlike namecalling game. i bow out gracefully.

you guys are very near to blashphemy. unfoundedly accusing ham of adultery. what grounds? is it because somebody told you so. you should repent. listen to the word of god, not traditions of men

no need for name calling. may god bless you my brother

tis not i, but the holy ghost within me.

its apparant that he uncovered himself. ham just happened to see him if i passed out drunk, naked on your couch and you walked in and saw me, would you be guilty of uncoveing my nakedness?

no, not the same leviticus speaks of one "uncovering" the nakedness. ham, nor caanan did this. please post scripture that says that they did.

youve not yet told me

are you aware that many bibles before the kjv and even the original 1611 kjv contained the apocrypha? was king james more godly than the earlier prophets and gospel writers?

what scripture makes you believe that ham's incident is the same a the leviticus one? ham did not uncover noah's nakedness.

diisagreeing with another's interpretation of scripture has nothing to do with love. maybe its the rejection or loss of pride that the offended one feels that makes them feel unloved.

the question is once we have repented and forgiven of our sins, are we still sinners or "living in sin"