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Amen to that, but I think there is more than one way to think of the crowns we receive, or will receive. Running the race so as to win the prize...that prize being a crown, a reward. Winning Jesus, in a manner of speaking, as I think of it, as He is our very great reward. I had in mind...

Ironically it's your doctrine that is unmerciful Epi. And that's why your fruit is the same, which so often shows in your posts.

You are teaching confusion Epi, or is it gaslighting? Our new man is created after the image of He who created it. Something we should be grateful for and love the Lord for doing that. Not something to justify ourselves with. But HE has justified us. Thankfully because we are not justified...

To my understanding He is saying that it is by and through Him alone that we come to the Father and are reconciled to Him. Through faith in Jesus, and having Him, His Spirit...the spirit of adoption. Which all true believers have. At least the earnest of it. The bride price has been paid...

Amen! And Abraham's vision of the clay vessel with fire in it passing through the pieces of the sacrifice. And also the allegory of the Temple.....seeing that there was a heavy veil to pass through in order to enter into the holy of holies (Christ our forerunner tore it in twain, that we could...

Amen. Works/fruit that accompany salvation. Our first work after believing in our heart is to confess with our mouth, which kind of seals the deal in a way.

I agree brother, I was only answering how we remain in Christ...forgot to answer your first question actually, sorry. Yes, we need to be born of the Spirit by faith not of our own, to be IN Him in the first place. And it's the earnest of the Spirit to begin with, which I think of as being...

Well brother to my understanding from scripture I would say we remain in Christ as we follow/obey Him after being born again rather than living life as we in our flesh might prefer....it's a life of "not my will but thine be done" in general, and even though most of us are not doing this...

You do seem to have your own gospel going on there Epi. No-one is saved by their own righteousness. Even the faithful Jews of old counted worthy of eternal life had to have the gospel preached to them by Jesus when He descended into the place of the dead. Even righteous Cornelius had to...

Yes, that is exactly why I said as long as it were coming from the right place. I find the current state of things with the church and politics allying to be very troubling indeed. Think it makes the falling away kind of "official" now in God's eyes....they have crossed a line....Mystery...

Maybe. And I pray so sister. Thank you for all the links.

Yes, I didn't mean to relegate it entirely to the past. Does being accepted mean the same thing as being saved and having eternal life? People who live righteously without knowing Christ experience earthly blessings (as opposed to curses)....like those promised and given to Israel when they...

Maybe it depends on whether we are talking about a specific "experience" or "event" or not? Coming to faith was an experience/event, and i believe, from what I'm gleaning at least, that entering that state of holiness we are talking about is also an experience or event....but being enlightened...

That's very good to know....if you can, would you mind posting links to a couple of sources that show the early church teaching these things? I am not much of a researcher or scholarly type (even less so now, lol) and have never looked into historical things to do with the church. I can...

I agree with what you are saying before this. But I have trouble accepting that those who came to genuine faith in God/Christ with faith not of their own and received the earnest of the Spirit are under condemnation (necessarily). We are saved by faith without works. I suspect we need...

ok....so what is the point he is making here? Looks to me as though Peter was humbling those Jews who thought they were saved by the exclusivity of having the Law and Torah. Those from other nations who feared God and worked righteousness were just as accepted as Jews under the Law were who...

Don't forget that people dont' always have choices in how to spend their time. They have on their plate what they have on their plate and it is glorifying to God if we "do everything as unto the Lord." (And just to say, I still remember how disillusioned and disappointed I felt coming to...

Seems to me from scripture that He is keeping us saved as long as we remain in Him. It doesn't mean He is "keeping" in the sense of preventing souls from falling away. He doesn't force anyone to follow and remain in Him. It just means that He has power to save and keep us in a state of grace...

Well, we have had a disagreement about OSAS for a long time, though I don't think I've argued about it much since coming to this site, and won't get into it on this thread. However being fully consecrated to the Lord...as in entering and walking fully in the kingdom, walking fully in the...