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  1. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    So the book of romans was invented by scofield.???? Scofield is a legend in your mind
  2. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    QUOTE: "You keep insisting “nobody escapes the mark,” but Revelation shows countless saints refusing it and dying with victory:" You do realize you made a point that all not saved recieve the mark? You seem to now admit nobody escapes martyrdom. The bible is not written by Scofield as you seem...
  3. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Wow. You seem to get everything I say wrong. Martyrdom is the highest reward. Instead of ADDRESSING WHAT I wrote, Ahem...SIMPLY SHOWING YOU WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS, you go into some sideshow smear. Look..martyrdom is ; 1) testimony 2) an overcoming act 3) dying In victory. Ahem... the martyrs...
  4. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    The point is, is that if they all die, there's nobody going to the end of the tribulation. So you're posting verses to that effect. Not knowing that it's destroying your doctrine of a post tribulation rapture.
  5. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    I read your deal. I had to chuckle that you left out the grafting back in of the COVENANT JEWS. You left off that Paul made the distinction AS A BELIEVER, that the Jews were his brethren. Paul said the Gospel MUST BE PREACHED TO THE JEW first and THEN to the Greek. Who is Gomer in the book of...
  6. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    The AC kills all refusing the mark. That fact alone debunks any hope of going through the trib. You guys have such a dilemma because you OMIT the pretrib rapture verses. So debating you guys like taking candy from a baby. Easy peeezy
  7. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Lol You omitted "....and they loved not their lives unto death" It says CLEARLY the AC is given power over the saints, and overcomes them. They are all martyred. You simply can not wiggle out of it.
  8. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    IOW...the bible is wrong about the AC killing all the saints.
  9. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    144k out of the 12 tribes.. Ethnic Jews. Stop changing the bible
  10. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    "All recieve the mark not written in the book" I see you did not address that. Your word salad deflected what is written. You were unable to wiggle out of what is written. Instead you invoke dead men futilly.
  11. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Let's look at another postrib rapture pillar. The "one coming dilemma " Postribbers insist on one coming. That means Rev 14:14 can not be taken seriously . Rev14:14 does a number on their doctrine. It sure does pay off to go into estateology with an open mind. Because In revelation, if I...
  12. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Ok. I am centered on the compete picture. Not an attempt for a hope of going through the trib. ( the trib where all die refusing the mark) You do know that no believers escapes being killed?
  13. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    What about all the changes, to the virgin parable, postrib rapture doctrine blatantly administers to it? They will tell us that wicked sinners ( 5 foolish virgins), have the Holy Spirit, light, are waiting and watching for Jesus, and are in close fellowship with serious believers. Even sleep...
  14. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Is there a post tribulation rapture at hearant, That can explain to me, In their doctrine, the omission that the Antichrist kills all refusing the mark? It says every man Woman and child, Whether bond or free, receives the mark. Nobody escapes it. If you refuse it, you die. According to God's...
  15. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    What no postribber seems to factor in is Where we see the the 2 covenants. The Jew and the Gentile. We see that it is written in the word that Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, Until The Times of the Gentiles are completed. So that right there tells you. There has to be a rapture...
  16. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    There are 2 escape verses in the Bible that are Jesus words. In one verse, he says pray that you may be counted worthy to Escape the things that are about to come up on the earth and stand before the son of man. The other verse is in revelation somewhere around chapter 3. Where are Jesus says...
  17. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    The post tribulation rapture doctrine has a dilemma. And that dilemma is in acts chapter one. The angels declare that "this same Jesus that you see ascending. Shall we turn in like manner" . That only fits a pretrib rapture that Jesus described of Jesus coming by himself. To rapture the church...
  18. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    QUOTE "The phrase “before the flood” simply sets the scene — Jesus is describing the attitude of the wicked right before judgment hits. That’s the point. They’re eating, drinking, distracted — and then BOOM: wiped out. That is the “taking.” You twisting that into “a pre-trib rapture before the...
  19. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    QUOTE "Darby. Not Scofield. Not your pastor. Jesus Christ — and everyone who still believes what He actually said." The reason you think others are obsessed with dead men is because your doctrine told you the dead ancients are more reliable than the bible. That is why your dusty Bible can not...
  20. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    The AC kills all the saints. Anyone refusing the mark is killed. That alone debunks any hope of running from cave to cave escaping the AC. No such thing as making it through the trib.