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The major issue, I think, with "deception" is if it leads to unrighteousness (eg, by falling from grace , as with the Galatians--Grace is how we walk in righteousness in the New Covenant); but if someone says "God justified me by grace, not my works, and now He works in me to will and to do for...

Yeah, but God is merciful--eg, Peter believed only Jews could be saved, and that he was under the Law, and had to keep the dietary law, but, in due time, the Spirit of Truth led him into the truth of the Gospel, gave him a vision, and Peter learned that he was not under the Law, and that...

I welcome dissent; I only ask that you actually address the topic.

Again and again, that is not the discussion, so please do not raise that topic. If you are going to contribute to the discussion, avail yourself of the presentation included in the OP, then you will be ready to discuss that information, you will be on topic.

I hold that people can have some errors in their doctrine (eg, Augustine with his OSAS) without that disqualifying them from being Christian/saved.

Well, just quickly (since it's not the topic), I agree OSAS does not cohere with Scripture (though I hold to an "odd" form of OSAS), but I disagree that God rejects people who believe in it--obviously, they have the Spirit, and, to me, some of them have more of the Spirit than some NOSAS people...

The topic is not eternal security, whether salvation is irrevocable, etc; the topic is the history of the Church, and, in particular, that it fought OSAS early on, because it was a doctrine unique to Gnosticism, and it fought Gnosticism, but that OSAS became "Christianized" by Augustine, a...

The early Church, before Augustine, fought OSAS, as part of its fight against Gnosticism, because OSAS was a doctrine unique to Gnosticism, but, later, Augustine, a former Gnostic, came along and "Christianized" it.

The OP includes a presentation on the history of OSAS having been fought against by the early Church in its fight against Gnosticism, because OSAS was a Gnostic teaching, and only became part of Christian thought when Augustine, a former Gnostic, Christianized it. The topic is not "How are...

Thank you. To remind everyone, the topic is about the claim that, early on, the Church fought OSAS because it was a teaching unique to the Gnostics, and the Church fought OSAS as part of its fight against Gnosticism, so the discussion is about whether that claim is true or false--the topic is...

Everyone has so many feelings, and so little to say that is on topic. Pathetic.

People here are incapable of staying on topic; if it bothers you, I understand.

I really wish people could find it in themselves to stick to the topic. It's so boring to keep reminding people--no matter if they agree with OSAS or not--to stick to the topic, which is a historical issue.

You're a perfect example of women being the weaker vessel (mentally, too--Eve's weak mind was deceived, Adam's stronger mind wasn't), thus ineligible for ever having authority over a man or teaching us anything. Enjoy your ignorance!

Yup, but, again, are you denying people eat for pleasure and harm themselves by so doing--that it's one thing to eat for nourishment, to obtain for the body the vitamins and minerals, fibers, etc, it needs WHILE ALSO MAINTAINING suffering and not living in wanton pleasure, and another thing to...

Obviously, I mean unhealthy diet causes self-harm. I've repeated that over and over. Are you even reading what I'm saying carefully before responding?

Peter says it's by abstaining from fleshly desires that wage war on the soul, just as Paul describes the sinful urges in the flesh as doing in Ro 7. Is Peter "psychotic"? Didn't Paul say he was in fasting often?

Yeah, that, by itself, debunks universalism; however, it requires a rethinking of the punishment of God's wrath, bc it seems that the people who go there go to become objects of God's Wrath, whereby they glorify God (God revealing His wrath glorifies Him), thus, little by little, repaying their...

Paul says the widow who lives in wanton pleasure is dead even while she lives (Spiritually dead--she has been warred against by the flesh, with its desires that are contrary to the spirit, and has been conquered); Peter says "arm yourselves with suffering in the flesh, for the one that has...