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  1. TrevorHL

    Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days and 2 future raptures separated by 1000 years+?

    Greetings PS95, We do not agree with "dispensation" concepts or label as supported by a number of denominations, such as some Evangelicals. Our views were more or less consolidated when John Thomas wrote his book "Elpis Israel" published in 1850 well before the JWs and SDAs appeared on the...
  2. TrevorHL

    Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days and 2 future raptures separated by 1000 years+?

    Greetings again WPM and Spiritual Israelite, I did not respond to the detail as I was busy. I briefly posted at 7:29 AM and 11:56 AM during a busy Saturday morning here in NSW Australia. I will attempt to respond to some of this detail now, possibly late evening New York time 12:30 PM and...
  3. TrevorHL

    Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days and 2 future raptures separated by 1000 years+?

    Greetings again WPM, The two quotes that I stated are sufficient to establish pre-millenniumism. Add also Zechariah 14 and Malachi 4 and you have bookends to numerous prophecies, summarised by Peter in Acts 3:19-21 with his additional comment "in ALL the prophets". Your theme is to discredit...
  4. TrevorHL

    Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days and 2 future raptures separated by 1000 years+?

    Greetings WPM, It is obvious from the following that when Jesus returns to sit upon the Temple Throne of David in Jerusalem for the 1000 years surrounded by the immortal faithful, that there will be mortals who have survived Armageddon and they will be subjected and voluntarily seek to learn...
  5. TrevorHL

    When does the judgment happen?

    Greetings again Hobie, It is true that the SDAs follow a number of the corrupt "Christian Churches", but even here the SDAs have a modified version of heaven going. Most Churches believe in immortal souls, and that their immortal souls go to heaven when they die. You should not claim to be...
  6. TrevorHL

    Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

    Greetings again Don Clarkston, You fail to consider ALL of James 1:13-15. Yes, you have the Bible but does your portion of the Holy Spirit teach you to ignore and misinterpret all of this passage? Perhaps even the simplest of commentaries would help you break your fixation here. ]James 1:13-15...
  7. TrevorHL

    Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

    Greetings again Don Clarkston, I reject your assessment. We can have the lusts and not sin if the lust does not conceive in our heart James 1:13-15. I am one of the two librarians for our meeting, but have a much larger personal library, both print and electronic. I enjoy the many and varied...
  8. TrevorHL

    The Implementation of the World Wide Sunday Law.

    Greetings again Hobie, He raised the occasion when Joshua brought the children of Israel into the land but failed to give them true rest, but nevertheless he cites this as a pattern of the future rest (Sabbath) when Jesus establishes the Kingdom of God upon the earth in fulfilment of the...
  9. TrevorHL

    The Implementation of the World Wide Sunday Law.

    Greetings again Hobie, Hebrews 4:1-11 (KJV): 1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with...
  10. TrevorHL

    Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

    Greetings again Don Clarkston, This is typical of your theme and your false accusation against those who claim Jesus had the lusts of the flesh and that he never yielded to them and he never sinned. One of the problems with forums is that we gain some impression of a person's religious...
  11. TrevorHL

    The Implementation of the World Wide Sunday Law.

    Greetings again Hobie, Jesus is the true Sabbath and we find our rest in him, not by keeping one day out of seven. Maybe you are unfamiliar with the following verses as they may be suppressed in SDA circles: Matthew 11:25–30 (KJV): 25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O...
  12. TrevorHL

    The Implementation of the World Wide Sunday Law.

    Greetings again Hobie, Our fellowship does not consider Sunday as a Sabbath or a day of worship. For example those in predominantly Moslem countries may hold their weekly memorial on a Friday afternoon, and as Sunday is a working day in Israel, they would hold their meeting on a Saturday. If...
  13. TrevorHL

    Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

    Greetings again Don Clarkston, Yes, I listen to many speakers that I have learned to respect and trust on a whole range of Bible topics. I suggest that this could be part of the whole problem. You claim to have the Holy Spirit and but seem to fail to listen to others who have carefully studied...
  14. TrevorHL

    Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

    Greetings again JBO, I consider that only a few will be resurrected, and even though the following says "many" I consider that this will be relatively few by comparison to the multitude who have lived. The rest have come under the sentence of death imposed upon Adam's descendants and will...
  15. TrevorHL

    Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

    Greetings PGS11 and Greetings again JBO, Neither we or Jesus inherit original sin. I disagree with your addition of "[spiritual]" death. Paul is speaking of physical death. In other words, those in Christ will be resurrected and granted eternal life. Kind regards Trevor
  16. TrevorHL

    Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

    Greetings again Don Clarkston, I consider that I have adequately explained my position and now you seem to be acting the part of a false accuser, a diabolos. What you have stated is not my perspective in any shape or form. There are many aspects that contributed to the holiness and sinlessness...
  17. TrevorHL

    Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

    Greetings again Don Clarkston, But such a lust is one additional step towards transgression. Having the lusts of the flesh is not sin, it is only sin when these lusts conceive James 1:13-16. In beholding a woman it is possible to "not err". Jesus did not err. Our past habits of thought must be...
  18. TrevorHL

    Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

    Greetings again Don Clarkston, I appreciate your exposition. I do not see how this is relevant to whether or not Jesus had the lusts of the flesh. Kind regards Trevor
  19. TrevorHL

    Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

    Greetings again JBO, I consider that "unto dust shalt thou return" was the sentence of death because of Adam's sin. I consider that only one eating would have granted everlasting life. I consider that "eat and live forever" is not saying if they continue to eat they will continue to live...
  20. TrevorHL

    Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

    Greetings JBO, I enjoyed your thorough exposition. I am not sure of what you are actually saying here as to the status of man, and what happened to Adam as a result of his transgression. Genesis 3:17-19 (KJV): 17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and...