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Also in Revelation 14:11 it's clearly referring to what happened to Edom: "It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever." - Isaiah 34:10 As in it will be utterly...

There can't be two second deaths. When the Bible says "death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death", it means that everyone dead and in hell is cast into the lake of fire, which works perfectly with this verse: "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable...

Yes death is destroyed because there's no one left to die. They die, so there's no longer any death. "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning...

In your own words, please describe what you think we think the trinity is. Do you even understand it correctly? If you don't, then you have no right to say it's wrong.

Physical death? Yes. Spiritual death? No. So you experience the "second death" for all eternity? How then is death destroyed if it still exists, as some will continually experience it? But please answer my questions: What does eternal conscious torment even gain for God? Why can't he just...

And to be honest, if eternal conscious torment were true, maybe I could agree with God that his judgement was righteous in casting them out of heaven, but I would always look down on God, saying in my heart "But why do they need to exist still? Just to experience pain?" - that's the main reason...

Well it literally says that when they're thrown into the lake of fire, that it is the second death for them. So I'm not twisting anything. I'm just saying what the Bible says. And yes, the destruction of death itself means that no longer will anyone die, because everyone has already died for...

It never said that they sought "eternal life as in high quality of life". It said they sought immortality. "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of...

Reading the Bible without the Holy Spirit is like trying to read a language you don't understand. The Holy Spirit helps those who are humble, and genuinely seek the truth. If Keiw would only humble themselves, and realize their words are not facts of reality, since they are not God, then perhaps...

When the foundation of your faith is built upon lies, it can never be trusted. Found your faith on Jesus, and his undeserved love for you alone. You don't need the bloody Watchtower to teach you about Him. All you need to do is to listen to Him, and the Holy Spirit. He will give you signs every...

That was my point. That we are not immortal. So the idea that a soul can exist in hell conscious for all eternity contradicts the fact we are not immortal.

I never said it won't. Just that the Watchtower falsely prophesied about when it would happen many times in the past, so they cannot be trusted.

I haven't redefined any terms. And you STILL didn't answer my question: Why would they need to seek immortality if everyone is immortal in Romans 2:7? Stop deflecting.

Yes and those beliefs were heavily inspired by things like Dante's inferno and Platonic philosophy. Edom was utterly destroyed. It does not exist any more as a nation. The land itself may exist, but is no longer Edom's. So when you look at Revelation 14:11 which uses this same language, you can...

That their consciences are defiled and hearts hard to the truth?

It's hard to find because they don't want to find it. Not because it's a puzzle. “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened."...

But I thought Armageddon was coming in 1925 according to JWs? Oh wait no it was actually 1941... Actually it was 1975... Oh it still didn't come when they said. Beware of false prophets.

Also Edom ceased to exist. It's not literally still burning, and its smoke isn't literally still rising. It was completely annihilated. Yet the Bible says its fire will not be quenched, night or day, and its smoke will rise forever. "9 Edom’s streams will be turned into pitch, her dust into...

I never said they're symbolic. They will not enter rest, I fully agree. Eternal destruction/death is not rest. It's eternal destruction/death. Certainly not God's rest that brings salvation. Well the immortality alone in that verse would imply they're not immortal. Why would they need to seek...

Non-denominational. One's church does not make their beliefs true or false. I carefully read what the Bible says and study different versions and different commentaries.