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I think we've established in the past (maybe not) that we have widely different views of what constitutes law in the Bible. As to Exodus 16, I honestly don't see how verse 28 can be read any other way than seeing God as already having an established law (commands, instructions) which He then...

All you have to do is go back and re-read our conversation. I've brought no impassioned expression to this discussion. Your "facts" are judgmental demands—not even well-veiled ones. .

Oh, I can answer them. This isn't my first rodeo. But you posed your questions and points in response to a claim I've made that you refuse to address. I'm sure you're hoping I've gotten distracted by now and have forgotten that, but I haven't. No, I claim, and rightly so, that you're moving...

So, rather than address the point of my post you divert and resort to threats of the GOTCHA sort. Nice You could do the same thing with the Bible but, of course, you won't. That would be gauche at a Christian forum, wouldn't it? Critics of Ellen White always hold her written works to a far...

So, the "only logical conclusion" is that all Seventh-day Adventists think and believe alike on some undetermined number of detailed issues. Got it. .

What I'm going to do is to ask you once again for some evidence that your theories regarding the 4th commandment were being taught before the advent of consumer Internet service—which you've thus far flatly declined to do. I'm not interested in doubled-down explanations of the theories...

Pardon me, Chum, but aren't you applying an at least slightly arbitrary standard here? Where does the Bible (New Testament, I'm assuming) say that consequences apply specifically to the breaking of certain commandments to the exclusion of others? And how do we know there aren't consequences for...

So much for proving that your arguments existed pre-Internet. You could have just said: "I can't prove it." Instead, you went on a rant about some "Laurie White" person and lots of other non-proof. .

Sorry, but you said more than that: "it's not mandatory now to keep A DAY, and the mistaken idea that it is, causes you to look at others with a judgmental heart." .

I think you might have single-handedly succeeded in derailing this thread. That's pretty impressive. It's a strange thought to me that folks like yourself and Amigo feel so freely justified in doing this kind of thing. .

Don't feel bad about the forest/tree thing—I, myself, have a lens problem. There's the sub forum/thread topic thing which is current events/Biden stepping down. And then there's praying for Biden's salvation—having now evolved into an effort to de-legitimize the thread entirely—which, while...

Prove it. No one else has been able to. .

It must be good to have reached a lensless state. 1 Corinthians 13:12 — For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. .

Oops, sorry, I misread your post. I thought that sounded kinda weird. I've said that I judge no one. You insist that I have a judgmental heart. I've directed no such accusations at you personally. I merely state the plain teaching of the Bible that no change has been made to the 4th...

Perhaps you would be happier if the administrators removed the current events discussion section since you seem to be concerned that it promotes presumption. You could put the matter to them directly, you know. Let's dance around this maypole some more, Jay, whaddya say? :P .

NEVER LET IT BE SAID OF YOU! .

Forgive me, but it kinda sounds like you had a little help from Herbert Armstrong, whose work was largely reactionary. Not that Christianity on the whole differs much from that model today. I found out in the Spring of 1990 that I'd been deceived about law and grace for over 20 years. I've...

No idea how many? I have no idea what you mean here. I find no part of the ten commandments to be any more compulsory than another part. 34 years of studying the subject tends to make for a fair amount knowledge as to what the Bible says about the law, in general, and the Sabbath, in...

I'm just noticing all the exclamation points and boldface. I'd hate to see what it looks like when you get riled. So, you came to the conclusion all by yourself, from Scripture, that the Sabbath is every day. When did you make this discovery? As soon as you became a Christian? And, if so, when...

Who said you made it up? I said "comes up." And it's not every day—it's the seventh day of every week. It's on the calendar. Nearly 100 languages worldwide use some form of the word "Sabbath" for the day we call Saturday. Everyone but Internet Sabbath-objectors know what day the Sabbath is...