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  1. Wick Stick

    Were Adam and Eve the first humans on Earth?

    In some ways it doesn't. It certainly doesn't fit the chronology that Genesis presents. In others it does. The story of a man forced out of his original habitation and into the wilderness is common to both Adam and Edom/Esau. It dovetails into details in Ezekiel and Job as well. If you...
  2. Wick Stick

    Were Adam and Eve the first humans on Earth?

    No, I think somebody (Ezra?) has edited Genesis to make it look like a history, when it's actually a collection of documents that shouldn't necessarily present a chronology. I understand that most people can't accept that, and I'm not trying to convince anyone here. But since they asked...
  3. Wick Stick

    Were Adam and Eve the first humans on Earth?

    I don't think so. I've come to believe that Adam is Edom, aka Esau... Abraham's grandson. So, not the first man.
  4. Wick Stick

    The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

    Thanks for taking the time to post the verses. I don't see anything there that contradicts the idea that the 10 commandments WERE the terms of the Old Covenant. I also don't think the idea of this topic is to retain the Old Covenant. I think the idea here is to say that those 10...
  5. Wick Stick

    Bible knowledge for life quiz - Closed book test

    1. The laborer is worth his hire 2. To be absent from the body is to be present with Christ 3. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth (not very New Testament of me, I know) 4. Something about millstones and the ocean :/ 5. The sins of the father shall be visited upon the son 6. You...
  6. Wick Stick

    The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

    What verses are you thinking of?
  7. Wick Stick

    The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

    The biggest difference IMO is enforcement of those laws. Under the original covenant, the Israelites (especially the Levites) were instructed to enforce the law one against another. The phrase "put the evil away from among you" occurs repeatedly in Deuteronomy, and it's an injunction to...
  8. Wick Stick

    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    Misunderstood or misappropriated? The ACLU and others have used it as a way to wage lawfare against churches.
  9. Wick Stick

    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    Threatening a church's status as a charity isn't much of a stick anymore. The real threat is removing their exemption from filing a tax return. That would open their finances to public scrutiny. Alas, the churches must not think they would survive such scrutiny.
  10. Wick Stick

    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    That's been going on for a long time. It's been happening since at least the 1980's, which is a couple decades before Obama.
  11. Wick Stick

    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    I don't quite understand this part. I didn't say anything about it being a union, so I'm guessing you're thinking of... something else? But I don't know what? Right, that's the problem - multiple churches insisting their way is best and trying to force everyone else to tow that line. The...
  12. Wick Stick

    If you’re a Christian and you support the modern geopolitical state of Israel, you deny that Christ is the Messiah. It's that simple.

    Prophesies are rarely that specific, but this one is pretty close. The prophet Zechariah identifies the betrayal price as 30 pieces of silver in chapter 11 of his book.
  13. Wick Stick

    If you’re a Christian and you support the modern geopolitical state of Israel, you deny that Christ is the Messiah. It's that simple.

    All of those promises are contingent on obedience. Israel has never in all it's history held ALL the territory promised to it, which would include all of Lebanon, half of Syria, and part of Turkey using today's borders. However, modern Israel does include some territory that was NOT promised...
  14. Wick Stick

    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    The American separation of church and state was intended to go one way - that our federal government should not legislate some certain religion as the national religion. Many of the European settlers in the early American colonies came from places where this had happened and moved here as a...
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    If you’re a Christian and you support the modern geopolitical state of Israel, you deny that Christ is the Messiah. It's that simple.

    This reply wasn't for me, so forgive me for butting in... I don't see that God changed His mind at all. In Genesis, when God made His covenant with Abraham, He promised to give Abraham both a natural son AND to make him a "Father of Nations." That word "nations" is usually translated as...
  16. Wick Stick

    If you’re a Christian and you support the modern geopolitical state of Israel, you deny that Christ is the Messiah. It's that simple.

    Judas is literally the only person the Bible outright tells us was damned. John 17: While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
  17. Wick Stick

    If you’re a Christian and you support the modern geopolitical state of Israel, you deny that Christ is the Messiah. It's that simple.

    I arrived to this thread ready to argue. But, everything you wrote here is completely reasonable. One of the better posts I've seen here to be honest.
  18. Wick Stick

    Trump Moving Too Fast?

    Wouldn't the US auto market just resort to fixing their old vehicles rather than buying new ones? Thinking of how Cuba used the same vehicles for like 60 years.
  19. Wick Stick

    Did Jesus say that adultery is grounds for divorce? - Nope.

    This can be true, but it isn't always. It depends on social status more than gender. For an upper-class man taking a lower-class wife, she would essentially be property as you say. But in the case where the wife's family is of an equal or higher class than the husband, she could have...
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    Did Jesus say that adultery is grounds for divorce? - Nope.

    Bronze Age marriages were often alliances, where a covenant was cut between the man and his prospective father-in-law. There typically is a ceremony for cutting a covenant. That ceremony was more about the 'cutting' and not so much about the bride. I'm not sure you'd exactly call it a wedding.