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I believe it is speaking of the spiritual journey which has already been entered into. The event is in my understanding, knowing that it has been done and there is nothing we can do in ourselves. Perhaps. Many at that time were teaching it. I cannot remember him giving a testimony. The...

https://new-god-argument.com/support/christian-authorities-teach-theosis.html#Example1 Here are some quotes. Don't forget that they did not say that a man will have all of the attributes of God to be made a partaker. The healing has been going on since the start. Healing from the problem of...

There is faith and there is saving faith. If we believe that He came to free us from sin, and the price is paid by our submission, then that faith saves. The earnest of the Spirit is like a handshake between business partners, to seal the deal which will occur in the future. I am not saying...

Andrew Murray said there are two stages on the highway to holiness - the carnal then the entirely sanctified. The early church said three - the carnal, the enlightened and the deified or ES'ed. He speaks as an enlightened soul. He claims that we are saved at the 'first' blessing or stage. The...

The early church was all about this doctrine. Of course there would be dissenters from NT times but the first few hundred years were spent fighting the gnositics and arians. It was taken for granted that holiness teaching was understood and accepted. Not all Orthodox writers were accepted as...

Not at all. To be united with God is to share in His attributes, and holiness is the most significant. Yes agreed. Glorification is for this life which certain scriptures confirm. Agreed. Yes but we underestimate the power of the flesh when we are still bound by it and rather than die, it...

@Lizbeth will be getting back to you tomorrow now as there is so much to cover. Just want to add how merciful God is.

Looking forwards to hearing more.

.... The early fathers on the other hand, taught that we must at least be on the road to theosis or union with Christ and this starts with Purification, or knowledge of the sin within, with the desire that we will be cleansed from all sin not that it might remain within. We can see that John is...

Missed these two out. For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body. James 3:2. James is allowing the perfect man who not only does not offend but controls his flesh. He is using 'we' in the sense of what is...

I hear this all the time on this board, 'I only follow what the Spirit has taught me and my understanding of the Bible is the right one, and I will quote texts to prove it'. LOL so now we have tens of thousands of interpretations. Paul said: This is the third time I am coming to you. In the...

Sorry for the delay, which was mainly due to connection problems but also my brain was not quite online and had decided to take a day off :) Of course, wilful sin is not acceptable and we are in a state of backsliding or even apostacy in that case. Inadvertent mishaps as you call them, are what...

I send that right back at you.

Keep losing connection. ill try later.

I'm not sure what you meant by that first line. You only have to repeat yourself if someone is not listening. And yes God does use our mistakes in eventual benefit but following His will from the start is best.

Paul would not need to be warned that danger awaited, as he was always in danger. He even got that wrong as he thought that he faced death but was arrested instead. Taken away from his ministry could not have been God's will.

Yes me too. My understanding of scripture is that, God's wrath is towards sin and the only way to escape it is for the blood of Jesus to free us from the devil's deceptions. For those who are led by the Spirit. Either the Spirit or the flesh, no mixture. It is either feeding from the tree of...

This subject has come up recently in another thread, but I thought that it would be of interest, if more time could be spent on it. Acts 21:4. God speaks to the Apostle Paul through believers, saying he should not go to Jerusalem but Paul is not listening. He has made up his mind and is...

LOL it does not seem so. I agree entirely with this. Reaching chapter 8 is the promised land - in this life, freed from the presence of sin. My opinion is that salvation means being delivered from the state wherein we are not as God intended ie as sinners and is the end result of the salvation...

Yes amen. Thanks @Lizbeth I have now finished the Andrew Murray book I was reading, which reminded me of how his writings are often a labour of love to read, as he does tend to ramble on. I was pleased to find that his interpretation of Romans 7 is the same as the early church, whereas today...