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  1. Timtofly

    The only way Amil can remotely be Biblical is if NOSAS isn't Biblical.

    Just because Amil is wrong, and your logic is wrong, does not make NOSAS right. Your logic is correct that one can never be saved and then given a first resurrection after rejecting the Gospel. That logic would mean no one is physically resurrected at the GWT Judgment either. The first...
  2. Timtofly

    The only way Amil can remotely be Biblical is if NOSAS isn't Biblical.

    People only need Jesus to say the second death has no power over them. They do not have to change the definition of biblical terms to prove a point. Both the second birth and the first resurrection equally prevent one from having the second death placed on them. And not all of humanity will...
  3. Timtofly

    The only way Amil can remotely be Biblical is if NOSAS isn't Biblical.

    Revelation 20 is not about any other reign than these verses teach. Revelation 20 is about those beheaded in the prior 42 months joining this everlasting reign as living physically on earth for a thousand years. No one is limiting the reign of Christ. Amil miss the point it is possible for...
  4. Timtofly

    The only way Amil can remotely be Biblical is if NOSAS isn't Biblical.

    Oh really? Then there is no Amil perspective, as that is the definition of a preconceived opinion. Some posters are constantly complaining because others cannot see the Amil perspective. If you said that Scripture only teaches Amil, then no one would have an Amil perspective at all, only a...
  5. Timtofly

    The only way Amil can remotely be Biblical is if NOSAS isn't Biblical.

    These doctrines of men can only work under certain conditions, and both claim to be biblical, but are not, in their entirety. You say OSAS cannot work, because God reserves the right to "unsave" a person. I say NOSAS cannot work, because Gentiles as a whole are not grafted into and made...
  6. Timtofly

    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    You don't think Jesus will ever return to the earth? The Jews started a civil war and caused the destruction of their own country. Jesus is the 70th week. 3.5 years as Messiah, and 3.5 years as the Prince to come. The Messiah part has been finished. The Prince part over His people...
  7. Timtofly

    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    What Calendar confirms that the Cross was the start? The "Catholic calendar" erroneously places the death at 33AD, so the birth of Jesus is the dividing point. If you are correct, then it should actually be 1994 and not 2024.
  8. Timtofly

    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    The Day God rested and generations on earth happened. Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens," The first Day of the Lord included 6 days of creation and a thousand years of...
  9. Timtofly

    Are the trumpets and vials running in parallel like some insist?

    John was not inspired. John saw the actual event happen and wrote it down. That is the point you are missing. John did not write under inspiration, nor had inspired visions. John gave us a symbolic pattern of actual events that he was a witness to. "And when the seven thunders had...
  10. Timtofly

    Are the trumpets and vials running in parallel like some insist?

    How would Paul know about the 7th Trumpet that was written about after Paul had physically died. Obviously Paul was referring to a last Trumpet, but not referreing to the event called the 7th Trumpet. John may or may not have been referencing the same Trumpets at all. If both were...
  11. Timtofly

    Are the trumpets and vials running in parallel like some insist?

    Is this part of the topic or did you derail your own thread in the OP? I think chapter 15 is an example of a time stamp for the parenthetical parts outside of the listed events. The events themselves called the 7 Seals, the 7 Trumpets, the 7 Thunders (most people ignore these altogether)...
  12. Timtofly

    Who, or what, is the dreaded bogey man of prophecy?

    None of those verses you vaguely mentioned, declare that all are in a state of death waiting for a resurrection. The church is already physically enjoying Paradise and have been for 1994 years. Every day the harvest has been gathered since then, here a little, and there a little, or...
  13. Timtofly

    Daniel Chapter 2

    I have hardly, or so it seems, explained much about Daniel at all. I have been trying to figure out your reasoning that bypasses all current explanations, and dealing mostly with chapter 2, and not any other chapter, except briefly. Although there have been so many post these last few days, we...
  14. Timtofly

    Daniel Chapter 2

    I will point out that this is a totally erroneous assumption. In trying to not use history, you have failed to see any fulfillment at all, and have created your own alternate history. The Messiah came over 1950 years ago. It has been 1994 years since the Cross. No one is expecting the...
  15. Timtofly

    Daniel Chapter 2

    I am still unsure why you use time frames using specific dates, unless you give some other reason other than what you think happened. You are going to have to match them up to verses in Daniel, or stop using dates at all. You keep saying avoid a history book, and then you put history book...
  16. Timtofly

    Daniel Chapter 2

    All of what Daniel wrote was future to Daniel. Daniel lived out those 70 years of captivity as written in Jeremiah. Even that was future to a young Daniel leaving his homeland and being subjected to a punishment his father's placed on him. Daniel wrote over a period of 70 years, not all in...
  17. Timtofly

    Daniel Chapter 2

    I don’t think you are much different in this regard than most historist. If you are going to call the time of papal Rome which lasted almost 1,000 years the 4th kingdom "extended" or "divided by time", then I have no argument. All you are doing is denying the number "5", and stretching 4 into...
  18. Timtofly

    Daniel Chapter 2

    And yet you still get it wrong, no? Dream: "Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and...
  19. Timtofly

    Daniel Chapter 2

    I am not one who claims any of Daniel's visions will happen in the future. What Daniel is told by an angel falls into a different category of prophecy. What Gabriel told Daniel in chapter 9 is not an explanation of any of Daniel's visions. All of Daniel was fulfilled except for the 5th...
  20. Timtofly

    Daniel Chapter 2

    "It" does not say anything. The book of Revelation declares the 5th kingdom is the ten toes as five are fallen, meaning all of the 5 sections of that image are gone to make way for the 6th kingdom.