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My view of the 144,000 is largely supported by Revelation 7:1-4, I think it gives a clearer picture of the timeframe that’s in view. Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not...

I think the 144,000 were part of those that came out of the graves in Matthew 27:52-53. I don’t see them as having spiritual blindness since I see them as having already been resurrected when we read about them in Revelation. I understand the blindness to be on those who held on to the old...

Thanks for your thoughts. I agree with the dead in Christ as well as those alive being taken with Jesus when he returns, I agree with those that have rejected Jesus from all time being resurrected to be judged and cast into the LOF. But, I personally don’t see the “rest of the dead” as being...

Thanks for agreeing to this, this is just the start, I’ll post some more in a little bit.

No, it doesn’t say they are resurrected, it says “But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished”. The thousand years are finished when Satan is loosed. Right, and the 70th week happening 2,000 years later means it still happens after the 69th week. I agree the...

Prior to the cross it was possible to follow the law, any sins committed would have to be reconciled by making sacrifices. Luke 18:21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up. Once Christ came and died on the cross, a person who was in good standing, following the old covenant law...

No, you aren’t using scripture to support placing a gap in Revelation 20:5. All you show is that there is a resurrection at the GWTJ, to which I agree. That resurrection only proves my point that the Revelation 20:5 dead that live again when the thousand years are finished has to be spiritual in...

Yes it is.

I take it you think there is absolutely no hope for people who are spiritually blind then. 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. Since...

Revelation 20:5 says “But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished”. The thousand years are finished when Satan is loosed, right? If someone were to read Revelation 20:5, after the thousand years were finished, during Satan’s little season, they would have to...

That’s the same argument people use to insert a gap between week 69 and 70. They claim they read verses pertaining to week 70 and it’s obvious to them a gap has to be inserted. If I’m not mistaken you have argued in the past against a gap in the 70 weeks by claiming there are no gaps anywhere...

Ok, it may not specifically say it but people insert a gap in the 70 weeks. What are the rules you use to judge whether a gap needs to be inserted or not? It doesn’t say they are resurrected, it says they lived again. A spiritually dead person can lived without a physical resurrection.

Ok, I think we are far apart on this so I don’t think I can be much help in the area of the scriptures.

Revelation 20:5 says But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. The thousand years are finished then Satan is loosed. That is also when the rest of the dead live again. Are you suggesting that there are resurrected people walking around during Satans little...

It’s not a dilemma though, our citizenship is currently in New Jerusalem not a physical Jerusalem. You are assuming that just because a literal city was rebuilt that it now has relevance. If the Jews started sacrificing lambs again it wouldn’t be relevant either. A literal New Jerusalem city...

If they are physically dead then you have the problem of them being physically resurrected to come to life again. This leads to them being killed again which is an impossibility. A person who is spiritually dead doesn’t need a physical resurrection to come to life. When the Jews have their...

Well I would disagree that the “rest of the dead” are in graves, I think they are spiritually dead but physically alive.

I actually agree with most of what you’re saying, the old Jerusalem falls, and is replaced with New Jerusalem. For the Jews, in the first century, who believed, once the old Jerusalem fell it wasn’t rebuilt. New Jerusalem had to have been what replaced it. Our main disagreement would be on when...

There are some translations that show the verb tense of “beloved city” in Revelation 20:9 as having been beloved. When I look at the Greek rendering of that verse, that is how it appears on Biblehub.com. Berean Literal Bible And they marched up over the breadth of the earth and encircled the...

Any verses about rebellion and deception in the regeneration? Anything that would apply to Satan’s little season?