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Then what did he mean when he said he always existed before abraham. who was jesus before abraham? not = trinity Is not a good answer..

I think it is a good subject though. Especially since it is now open for debate. Sadly. I think some people do not like to hear a view that apposed theirs.. so they take that as an attack. It is just as bad when one claimed to be continuously attacked when he is not. As those that are...

i will say this, I do not think belief in the trinity is essential. No one will be condemned because they did nto believe a doctrinal truth. But I have a hard time understanding how people can have pure faith in God as redeemer, and a God who paid the sin debt for all mankind, if they think...

byt he was Elohime (God in plural) made all things. So Has Jesus, the alpha and Omega the first a\nd the last. I do not understand d this

Who says? I limit God. Your the one that says God can not take the form of man, then say I limit God..lol I am limiting man. A man can pay for the crime of another man.. Thats it.

Once again, you have failed to represent the truth of what the trinitarian holds true 1. The faithr is God. 2. The son is God 3. the HS is God. 4. The father is not the son is not the spirit. They are three distinct induviduals but what makes them God 1. Their essence, their power. And...

See here you go again, totally unable to respond to my post. And the proof that i showed in the text. Your right, the word trinity is not in scripture. But the term bible is not in scripture either. Nor is the term christianity. But I am sure you use these all the time. again, The word does...

Again Jesus is the creator. He was before abraham was. can you tell me what Church you go to? You have some very strange doctrines.

well actually I have not seen any again, But so many for has been posted to you who say Jesus was a mere man. And took the price of sin for all mankind (impossible) If Jesus was not God, he could pay for one persons sin, thats all. Whose sin then did he pay for?

But Jesus did say, before abraham was in the english “I am”. In the Greak, he used the same words as he did to moses in the Septuagint, Ego Eimi, literally I I am, Ort I am who I am, Or I am and I have always been, litterly the always existent one. Thats why the fell black and picked up stones...

If Jesus was not God. We are still dead in our sin. A mere man cannot take the sin of all mankind on his body.

No the word. He was the word.. and he was God. again, how can you do this?

It does not say God foreknew him. Why are you adding words? lol. Wow talk about doing everything you can to ignore the meaning lain words. Theis is just fascinating watching people run from things and try to make it appear words do not say what they say.

Amen. So sacred was this name that many do not allow it to be even said. Jesus was called a blasphemer for using it.

Amen, Before abraham was, I always was, or I always existed. Or I AM (as written)

I see, I can see why you got Quiet. You’re the one who made the claim. I just reacted to it. And I guess I hit a nerve. There is nothing really hard to understand about the verses, they are clear. it’s not as if they are confusing. Because they can not be twisted like so many like to do. As for...

Hiding now? Again. The God of Israel said he was sent by the father and spirit. So who is the Gid of Isreal?

I have never in all my life heard anyone tell someone they need to sin.

That goes for everyone.

Yet as I showed earlier. The God of israel was sent by the father and his spirit. if the father is not the specific God of israel. Then Who is?