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  1. Douggg

    Schemes...

    Matthew 24:30-31 and Revelation 19:11-21, both take place at Jesus's return. There are 3 elements to the rapture/resurrection event of 1Thessalonians4:16-18. 1. the resurrection of the dead in Christ. 2. the changing of the living in Christ. 3. to forever be with the Lord, where-ever He is...
  2. Douggg

    Pre-Trib Dispensationalism IS False

    Keraz, there are 3 elements to the rapture/resurrection event of 1Thessalonians4:16-18. 1. the resurrection of the dead in Christ. 2. the changing of the living in Christ. 3. to forever be with the Lord, where-ever He is. Matthew 24:31 lacks the resurrection of the dead in Christ. So the...
  3. Douggg

    Schemes...

    The false prophet has the people of the world make the image. What that specifically entails is not said. Back in the Exodus, the people contributed their gold jewelry and such that was melted down, and Aaron made the golden calf image. Exodus 32:24. So it may be that the false prophet...
  4. Douggg

    Schemes...

    The statue image, the false prophet has made in Revelation 13:14. Once placed on the temple mount as the abomination of desolation, it says in Revelation 13:15 that the false prophet performs a miracle making it come to life and speak. But it will be a false miracle because Satan will indwell...
  5. Douggg

    Schemes...

    Keraz, the rapture is not Matthew 24:31 because the rapture is preceded by a resurrection of them in Christ according to 1Thessalonians4:16-18. The rapture/resurrection event will be before God's wrath is poured out in the great tribulation, as the Church, i.e. the corporate body of believers...
  6. Douggg

    Schemes...

    When Jesus's returns to stand on the Mt. of Olives directly across from the Temple mount, He will stare at the statue image of the beast -king on the temple mount - indwelt by Satan. That statue image will go up in flames, turned to ashes. Exposing Satan for everyone to see that day...
  7. Douggg

    Pre-Trib Dispensationalism IS False

    Matthew 24: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they...
  8. Douggg

    Pre-Trib Dispensationalism IS False

    Keraz, when does this event take place ? 1Thessalonians4: 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with...
  9. Douggg

    Pre-Trib Dispensationalism IS False

    Does the text of Revelation in Revelation 13:7 and Daniel 7:21 say "church" or "saints" ? Paul in his letters referred to persons of the church located in Rome, Corinth, Ephesus, Colosse, as saints. And I have no disagreement with the concept or labeling them as such. But all saints are not...
  10. Douggg

    Pre-Trib Dispensationalism IS False

    Keraz, the Church does not go through the great tribulation. The Jews, i.e. Israel corporately speaking, will go through the great tribulation, becoming believers in Jesus during that time. Matthew 24:31, the gathering of the elect is referring to the Jews, fulfilling a promise God made...
  11. Douggg

    Pre-Trib Dispensationalism IS False

    Why is it unscriptural when it says right in the text... 1Thessalonians5: 10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. 11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do. Take a look at the ending verse of...
  12. Douggg

    Pre-Trib Dispensationalism IS False

    I would refer to believers saved during the great tribulation as the "great tribulation saints". Based on the use of the word "saints' during that time of persecution, such as in Revelation 13:7 and Daniel 7:21. ---------------------------------------------- The Jews, Israel corporately...
  13. Douggg

    Pre-Trib Dispensationalism IS False

    Keraz, define what you mean by "His people". Are you referring to Christians ? Christians will go to heaven in the rapture/resurrection event - such that to forever be with the Lord where ever He is at. 1Thessalonains5: 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by...
  14. Douggg

    Pre-Trib Dispensationalism IS False

    Hebrews 9:27 is referring to Jesus coming for the rapture/resurrection event. Jesus's coming for that purpose completes our salvation - by which, our bodies are redeemed. Our souls are redeemed the second we receive Jesus as our savior. Born again. Ensured of eternal life. Now that we...
  15. Douggg

    Pre-Trib Dispensationalism IS False

    Taken, I re-wrote your above sentence, as... The rapture only applies to those "in Christ", i.e. His church (aka "the Church" ). Whom, those in Christ, have already been made whole - by the Word, Seed, Power of God...
  16. Douggg

    Pre-Trib Dispensationalism IS False

    The all caps don't offend me. But the way you employ them in your sentences is unnecessary and makes your posts not understandable and unpleasant to read. I once had a person say to me - "write as you would speak". All caps, generally speaking, gives the impression of yelling at the...
  17. Douggg

    Pre-Trib Dispensationalism IS False

    Taken, your posts are confusing to read. The above sentence, as one example. Please express yourself with normal grammar and without all the caps.
  18. Douggg

    Pre-Trib Dispensationalism IS False

    There will be Christians during the great tribulation. There will be those who are martyred and those who survive it. There will also be Christians who escape going through the great tribulation by being raptured out of the world before it begins.
  19. Douggg

    Hal Lindsay And Time LaHaye Were Deceived

    I can understand the rationale of your thinking. Instead, it might mean that he will not care about what women think or want.
  20. Douggg

    Everyone will receive a Mark, whose mark is the question.

    You are wrongly speculating on why the kingdoms were represented by beasts. Who is the Lamb in Revelation 5:6 ? And in Revelation 4:7-8, there are four beasts that worship God, night and day. -------------------------------------------------------------- The fourth beast of Daniel 7 is the...