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There are better quotes... Quotes that actually state that Jesus is GOD. Sorry, no time. But some: Ignatius of antioch: “Ignatius, also called Theophorus, to the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . predestined from eternity for a glory that is lasting and unchanging, united and chosen through true...

Right Wrangler. The Trinity is a pagan belief... but you have Christian written under your avatar. How's about removing that designation?

I don't care to get involved with this, but What's the contradiction that exists in scripture? Your last sentence... It's complex, it's convoluted, and they had to import some Greek concepts about "form" and "substance" and "hypostasis", but it's necessary, because a real contradiction exists...

PS I don't know what you mean by SHALL APPEAR and MAY APPEAR. Seems like you've had this ARGUMENT before. I'm not here to argue. If you want to discuss, fine...

Are you discussing Colossians 3:4? THIS is the debate here: YOU are stating that OSAS is in that verse. I'M saying it's nowhere to be found. I can't prove a negative. Why don't YOU show me where it states in Col 3:4 that OSAS is a correct doctrine?

It's true IF you CONTINUE in the faith: Colossians 1:21-23 21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, 22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach— 23...

Looks like you're doing what you accused me of doing. You sure read a lot into words...this is the problem some have even when reading scripture. IF a person is NOT walking in the spirit,,,he is walking in the flesh. You cannot do both at the same time. Galatians 5:16-17 16But I say, walk by...

Read the following instead of reading only reformed information all the time. https://ssnet.org/blog/does-romans-9-teach-predestination-for-some-or-salvation-for-all/ https://reknew.org/2008/01/how-do-you-respond-to-romans-9/

Well, THIS conversation sure isn't. Please respond to my post 145. Thanks.

Good for you. BUT seems like you CANNOT show me where, in Colossiand 3:4 it states that man cannot lose his salvation. OR in any of those 4 verses YOU posted to prove some point or other. And please reply to my post no. 145 because it doesn't sound like something I'd say.

I don't know anybody on these forums. Should I stop posting altogether? Do YOU know all MY beliefs?

Where did I say that?

I'll tell you what it does NOT state..... What it states is correct, of course. What it does NOT state is whether or not salvation can be lost. If you can find it in verse 4, it would be nice to hear it explained from you. And,,,I'm not sure what you believe...as I've already stated. Is it...

I admitted I don't know you enough to know your position on the matter. Not much more I can do.. I did reply to what you stated. There's no such thing as a carnal Christian.

@GracePeace Wait. IF you believe in OSAS, AND you're worried about doing good works.... does this mean you're not sure of your salvation? OR Are you having this problem because you can't reconcile OSAS to the scripture re good works?

Wow...I don't get confused easily,....but you're doing a good job! We must trust God AND add good to the Kingdom of God on earth. Do you believe Jesus came to set up the Kingdom of God on earth? IOW...do you believe God wants us to make this a better place? We will NOT be justified by our...

BINGO! No. The early church refused eternal security because it was NOT TAUGHT by any of the Apostles to THEIR students....like Justin Martyr or Igantius of Antioch, for instance. He was a manachaen. You'd have to post something regarding the fact that Augustine believed in OSAS because I...

Colossians. Right. Chapter 2 and forward tell of how we're supposed to act/behave. It explains how Jesus is Lord. Problem is: Some want Jesus as Savior but not as Lord. Colossians 3:1-4 Verse 1: It tells us TO SEEK (present tense...keep seeking) things from above. We never stop seeking...

I've noticed that Calvinists are always talking about grace. And at the same time always talking about hell. It's interesting. You say God chose who will be saved. Where in the NT does it state this? I haven't found it yet. You say all others do not receive His mercy. So then HOW is God...

What a dangerous teaching! God DOES NOT remove new life from a child of His. It's the person that removes himself from God. We're admonished to HOLD FAST to our faith... We're admonished NOT TO FALL AWAY.... Happy to go through verses with you..... Besides the fact that OSAS was NEVER taught...