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  1. Deborah_

    What is the difference between vengeance and justice?

    Is that a discrepancy? The point is that people often do re-offend - but we still have to forgive them. The "70 x 7" is a Jewish way of saying "without limit". How many times do we go on sinning against God? Yet He still forgives... (and still expects us to repent, every time) The centurion who...
  2. Deborah_

    What is the difference between vengeance and justice?

    Well, I agree that we should forgive first - in the sense that we don't bear a grudge or seek revenge. My point is that such "one-sided" forgiveness is an incomplete forgiveness.
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    Why did Jesus have to die?

    Propitiation and reconciliation Propitiation is probably the aspect of the atonement that our culture finds most difficult to come to terms with. Perhaps because Christians have been preaching for two millennia about the God who is Love, people in the West seem to have forgotten that the...
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    What is the difference between vengeance and justice?

    It's not that the relationship shouldn't be restored, but that it cannot be. It takes two... King David was persuaded to forgive Absalom for murdering his brother Amnon. But there was no repentance on Absalom's part and the relationship between him and his father was not healed - Absalom went...
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    What is the difference between vengeance and justice?

    We are always to forgive, in the sense that we are not to bear grudges or nurse bitterness in our hearts. But the one who sins must repent if they are to receive our forgiveness and have their relationship with us restored. So yes... accountability is important. If they have committed a...
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    Why did Jesus have to die?

    Substitutionary sacrifice To most modern Europeans, the whole idea of animal sacrifice seems barbaric. Even those of us who happily eat meat have probably never actually seen an animal being slaughtered. But sacrifice was an essential component of almost all ancient religions, and in Judaism...
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    Is it wrong for a gentile to be Torah observant?

    Jewish Christians may continue to observe the Torah (and many do) so long as they are not trusting in it for salvation. Jesus obeyed it because He was a circumcised Jew. But His perfect obedience releases us from that obligation. So what point is there in a Gentile doing so? It was not given...
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    Why did Jesus have to die?

    Judgement Jesus came to execute judgement upon all the sins of mankind. “Now is the time for judgement on this world,” He said, a few days before His death (John 12:31). But when that judgement was passed, to everyone’s surprise, it was the Judge who died… We all know, deep down, that there...
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    Baptisim

    What difference does being Gentile make? Didn't Jesus say, ""Go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them..." And salvation has always been of grace!
  10. Deborah_

    Why did Jesus have to die?

    You could take it either way. There's a lot more that could be said on the subject. Any comments would be welcome.
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    Amos 3.3, a thoughtful verse: "Can two walk together, except they be agreed?"

    But "taking the symbols" makes our faith visible.
  12. Deborah_

    Cook off

    Moving churches doesn't necessarily imply changing one's beliefs. We did have problems with that particular church - but they weren't doctrinal.
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    Cook off

    Moved on from where to where?
  14. Deborah_

    Why did Jesus have to die?

    In some ways, Christianity is a very odd religion. For it makes the claim that God Himself, in the form of a young Jewish teacher, was put to death in a manner that was not only shockingly brutal and inhumane but also intensely shameful (crucifixion was reserved for the dregs of society). Even...
  15. Deborah_

    An interesting word study.

    So what's interesting about it?
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    Can We Walk on Water Too?

    It was only Peter who walked on water. The other disciples stayed in the boat! And Jesus didn't rebuke them for lack of faith! Another point: Peter didn't step onto the water until He heard Jesus' summons. Taking a step of extreme risk like that (in any context) without first hearing Jesus'...
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    Why Do You Go/or not go to Church?

    Depends what you mean by 'large', doesn't it? In my experience the fellowship of a very small group (less than 6-8) can become too intense, especially, if that small group cuts itself off from participation in any wider fellowship. It's also too easy just to 'fellowship' with people you like. A...
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    Why Do You Go/or not go to Church?

    You're still reading more into the word 'church' than I actually mean. Biblically, 'church' is an assembly (ekklesia) - now if we assemble, then it rather implies we are all in one place (at least temporarily). Not necessarily a dedicated building, although for practical purposes a lot of...
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    Why Do You Go/or not go to Church?

    You've missed my point, I think. "Church" is not a particular building, but any place where local believers meet together. Which might well be someone's home (as it was in the first century). What would feel wrong to me would be taking communion at home alone (or just with my nuclear family).
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    Why Do You Go/or not go to Church?

    That would be equivalent to a house church, wouldn't it? At least that's in a group!