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I agree with that and I think most Trinitarians would agree. Where you and I perhaps disagree is on whether the absence of explicit mention of the Trinity in Scripture is dispositive. I've said all along that the Trinity is an outgrowth of Greek philosophical analysis (Post #42). I just...

Largely agree, but I will push back on your third example. I am firmly in Daniel Wallace's camp when it comes to Titus 2:13 and 2 Peter 1:1 (“Consequently, in Titus 2:13 and 2 Pet 1:1 we are compelled to recognize that, on a grammatical level, a heavy burden of proof rests with the one who...

I have to disagree. The syllogism you accuse Trinitarians of adopting, 1. Jesus is God; 2. Jesus died; therefore 3. God died is not an accurate portrayal of our view. Our view, rather, is that 1. Jesus is God, but upon becoming incarnate, was both God and man; 2. Jesus the man died...

I do think the Messiah is God, but I don't think the Scriptural support for it is, as you put it,"consistent." I think verses can be marshaled on both side of the issue (see my Post #42) -- largely because most NT authors (Paul being one) were not terribly concerned to advance the thesis...

I think F2F's point was that while hupostasis has multiple meanings in the Bible, the sense in which it is used in Trinitarian thinking -- "substance" -- is a bit different from any of them. Students of Greek and Latin who look at hypo and stasis as mirror images of sub and stantia are not...

I forbid no such thing. You are missing my point. The word "until" often refers to a termination of the status carried up to a designated point in time. Which connotation applies to Joseph's sex life cannot be proven by references to instances where it doesn't (like those you mention in...

I've got a better idea. Let's see how Matthew uses the word ἕως. Matt. 2:9 says "After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was." Are we to assume that this star is still...

One way to look at this is in a non-monotheistc way. The ancient Israelites were not monotheistic until some time after the Torah was penned. They considered that national gods existed, albeit with the God of Israel being supreme over the pantheon. Ex. 20:2-3 in the KJV is rendered “I am the...

Perhaps I should at least set out the logical difficulty with the Trinity, and see if it sparks discussion here.

I don't know what David's view is here, but the logical inconsistency of two distinct individuals as a single God needs to be addressed. Efforts to address this have been around since the Second Century. Are we going to be able to solve the dilemma on this website?

You do see the logical inconsistency here, don't you? ONE God yet TWO distinct "individuals"? How do you explain that? Modalism? Something else?

I don't agree that the Trinity is false doctrine. I just think Scripture is equivocal on the subject. There are passages that can be taken as evidence for, and against, the doctrine. That's all I am saying. As to Jesus being the Son of God, the long awaited Messiah, who died for our sins and...

I'm with you on the origins of the doctrine. The march of Christianity outward from Palestine into the Greek world inevitably resulted in a cultural and philosophical disconnect, as tales told and texts written from a Jewish/messianic perspective were being interpreted by men imbued in a Greek...

Thanks. Fair point.

Well, I am a Trinitarian, but I have a very different take on this discussion. You won’t find me underscoring supposed proof-texts, because I’m convinced that none truly qualify as “proof.” From the standpoint of word meaning, Scripture is maddeningly equivocal. Arguments over Hebrew words...

Pardon the interruption -- but how does saying that @Truth7t7 doesn't know something advance the ball here. If YOU think you know something, just state your position for others to review, and leave it at that.

Scripture's being God-breathed is something to be proven. That proof cannot be in the form of ipse dixit. Scripture cannot prove itself God-breathed simply by declaring itself to be God-breathed. Got any other proof? (I do, but I want to hear yours.) Saying "Paul didn’t “declare” that ALL...

Agree. Unbelief and blasphemy differ in passivity/activity. The former is a state of mind, the latter is an affirmative action.

What part of CIRCULAR REASONING don't you understand? Pointing to Scripture to prove the validity of Scripture! Wow. Talk about lifting yourself by your own bootstraps! https://www.str.org/w/how-not-to-argue-for-the-truthfulness-of-the-bible Paul writes a letter to one of his disciples...

Rather than posit 14:34-35 as a quote (an argument I have seen espoused by KIrk MacGregor but rather convincingly refuted by Philip Payne), I'll propose an alternative suggestion: that verses 34-35 are a later addition and not original to Paul.