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@Nancy, Your comments have the following at the bottom... I'm not a Calvinist, by choice :cool: Someone else has this also but i cannot remember the name of that person.... did you "borrow this"? Just curious.

And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. (Revelation 9:4) Do You not have the seal of God on you? Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth...

I Agree with this part, all this is speaking of the birth pangs and is a 1991-year (Or however many years it has been) tribulation of which John was a partaker of (Revelation 1:9), But this is not the tribulation Jesus is speaking of in verses 29-31, and he never uses the word tribulation to...

I Agree with this part. Again, this betrays simple grammar and reading of the text.... When Jesus says "immediately after the tribulation of those days" he is pointing to the great tribulation as this is the only other "tribulation" he speaks of in the Olivet discourse.

some of The Greek texts themselves are the problem. Sinaiaticus is believed to be a forgery. some of the Nag Hamadi texts are outright Gnostic in origin, Vaticanus has many ommissions from the textus receptus and this use of autos is one of them. As I have said here before I am not a KJV only...

funny.... Hyperdispensationalism - Wikipedia

It is there twice in the KJV/ textus receptus. See G846 below. And G2532 if any man G1536 G846 will G2309 hurt G91 them, G846 fire G4442 proceedeth G1607 out of G1537 their G846 mouth, G4750 and G2532 devoureth G2719 their G846 enemies: G2190 and G2532 if any man G1536 will G2309 hurt G91...

please don't take this the wrong way, but anything "could be". This is just conjecture as has been popularized by the Ancient Aliens type of science, whose famous catch phrase is "could it be" and "Perhaps instead of". :confused: What does the Holy Spirit tell you? What does scripture tell us...

No I am referring to the plain and simple reading of the text which says "Immediately after the tribulation of those days", which is pointing to the Great tribulation he just got done Speaking about. No this does not matter because autos IS used here which is a direct pronoun meaning He him...

Your comment borders on the absurd here. You now have to change the meaning of the elect in order to explain this conflict and thereby take away one of the best passages to support the rapture to those who deny it. Exactly.

see a plain reading of the text shows that this is not true, because Jesus connects each part of prophecy to the other... for example: And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Matthew 24:14) Immediately...

It is not a man...man of sin etc. that kills the two witnesses but rather the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit (Aka Abaddon a fallen angel.). The bottomless pit is not opened until the fifth trumpet. The two witnesses stand in opposition to the man of sin who claims to be God. They by...

I see the 42months of the two witnesses as synonymous with the 42 months of the great tribulation and hence the beast ruling. They all occur the first half of the final week. The Great tribulation is to test the church, Israel will enter the wrath of God and drink thereof before they repent...

Ok I think I understand how you explain away the Olivet discourse problem, and that is to say Christ was jumping around and answeringthe questions in no particular order. Correct? For me personally i take Christ at his word that he was describing events in the order they occurred, and the...

Here is the link to the 2 Hour video.

“Circumstances may appear to wreck our lives, but God is not helpless among the ruins.” - Eric Liddell

As I said I was a pretribber, so am familiar with all the arguments for and against. I am of the opinion that we will face the great tribulation which is the wrath of Satan. I would hope you take the time to watch the video I posted above.... it is part of a 2 + hour video which contrasts the...

The Great tribulation is the wrath of Satan against the saints who are called to endure.

So You are saying the abomination of desolation and the great tribulation have already occurred when the physical temple was destroyed in 70 AD (Matthew 24:15ff)? I Just want to understand what you are saying here. In other words, this is how you resolve the Olivet discourse problem. Also, what...