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I wish I didn't have to disagree with one single Christian. Yet, how can I agree with every single Christian? I can't. So it's not like I enjoy disagreeing with other Christians about things, it's that I have no choice but to do disagree at times. Yet, I don't think less of the person simply...

That's pretty much my take on it as well, that pretty much every instance of the DOTL in both the OT and NT, these are involving the same DOTL. Take Isaiah 13 that has been brought up. While there might be some of that that could maybe fit ancient times, not all of it can. Plus, some of it...

I take out a hundred dollar bill out of my wallet. I then say, "do you see THIS hundred dollar bill I now have in my hand?" "It could be yours if you sell me that laptop you have that I want to buy for a hundred dollars." "At least think about it." I then put the hundred dollar bill back in my...

Have you changed your mind about some of this recently? Whenever I proposed pretty much the same thing you appeared to be adamantly opposed to what I was proposing. Or at least that's how you came across to me at the time. To me it makes perfect sense that Christ fulfilled the first half...

I guess I missed that. You, therefore, do not take these events in the literal sense, correct? IOW, unlike how Christ literally bodily rose from the dead, none of the dead in Christ that rise first are literally bodily rising from the dead per your view of this, correct?

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. . 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in...

I certainly don't know what you are meaning. Instead of making statements like that then expecting some of the rest of us to grasp why you conclude that, why not simply provide an example or two from the Bible that you feel proves your point, then explain how it proves your point?

The way I reason things in general, assuming one side is correct, the side that is correct would be like arguing that 2 + 2 = 4, the side that is wrong would be like arguing 2 + 2 = 5. Why would anyone arguing 2 + 2 = 4 need to consider any arguments by someone that is arguing 2 + 2 = 5? That's...

I still don't get it? Why the last thing on the list is the very first thing fulfilled? Not according to me, but according to some of you and what you are applying that to. I would think that angel had better sense than that. If the idea was that number 6 is fulfilled first, he should have at...

But why call that the day of the Lord when the DOTL involves judgment and wrath upon the lost, and that the DOTL comes as a thief in the night? It might be different if you weren't connecting it with this same DOTL that comes like a thief in the night and that you were meaning something else...

Something I can at least agree with anyway. It's basically the timing of it where you and I don't appear to be on the same page in regards to. You think it already began thousands of years ago, I don't. I think it is a one time only event that hasn't occurred yet. But when it does it will be...

But where does it ever say in the Bible, where the context undeniably pertains to the DOTL, that it involves light?

I don't think the DOTL involves the millennium though, since the DOTL involves darkness, even if literal darkness is not meant. The millennium couldn't possibly be involving darkness, in any sense.

Though, you didn't ask me that, the way I might respond to that is like such. If you don't mind it being dark and not light, even very dark, and no brightness in it for forever, maybe then the DOTL might fit an everlasting day. But if those things are not something one might desire for all...

You seriously need to do a study on the DOTL then. Consider the following, for example. Amos 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light. Amos 5:20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even...

You might not realize it, but this is where 2 Peter 3:8 might help us here, since , like you pointed out, those things logically can't fit within a 24 hour day, but they can certainly fit within a day involving a thousand years, though. Think about it. What is a day? It is an era of time. 24...

What is there to explain? The end is meaning after the great white throne judgment has commenced and ended. Until the great white throne judgment, regardless when it is meaning, has fully concluded, no way can it be the end yet. Clearly, the rapture precedes the great white throne judgment...

When you say that are you just meaning in this particular case or are you meaning all the time? If the latter no way do I remotely agree with that. Because, for one, without getting into a debate about this, but anyone who insists OSAS is Biblical but that NOSAS isn't, isn't remotely an example...

In that case I'm probably better off not reading any more of his posts from now on. I was right right all along about him then. When he said they ascended in order to torment, I thought maybe he was meaning they get to help Christ and His angels do that. But you're saying he is saying they...

What we have to keep in mind about this is that where the tree of life is, that is where paradise is. And where does Revelation 22 locate the tree of life? In the new Jerusalem after it comes down from God out of heaven. Just like the tree of life was in the midst of paradise in the beginning...