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One thing that has to be factored in I guess, is this. People will be in real bodies including Christ, after Christ returns. Does everyone just float around in the air having no tangible place to sit, to rule from, etc? Is this earth going to be like one big ghost planet where there are no...

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Apparently, Peter agrees with you. I see it making zero sense that Peter was still looking for righteousness in the future if it was already there. Maybe there were no...

Regardless what you may or may not be right about per the above, if any of it at all, the most absurd thing I have ever heard of in my life is the following, and I can't believe I used to believe this nonsense. Yet I do believe the 70th week fits the end of this age, at least the last half...

You seriously need to get with the program and maybe read Genesis 29 again, maybe even numerous mores times until you grasp what is meant by a week per some contexts such as Daniel 9. Guess what you are not going to find mentioned anywhere in Genesis 29? You are not going to find anything...

Do you recall on BibleForums years ago a poster named DurbanDude? He was a Premil. His view which I did not agree with at the time is that the gap is the middle of the 70th week, not between the 69th and 70th week like I was taking it to mean. And that he applied this part to Christ 2000 years...

Now that we got this sorted out and you on public record saying what you have, obviously, Daniel, for example, would be among the dead in Christ that rise first prior to great tribulation beginning. Thus we are not at the end of this age per this scenario, since there is at least another 3.5...

Not so fast there. All you all have done is make it impossible for me to undeniably have accomplished that, the fact you won't even acknowledge that verse 27 is meaning the 70th week, all of it. Let me give you an example that might prove my point. Someone is debating with a JW about whether or...

The reason why I acknowledge, though I feel I am correct concerning Daniel 9:27, that I did not undeniably prove what I alleged is because that verse in question can apparently be understood in more than just one manner. Thus it is debatable. But as to what I have in regards to this topic, what...

And once @Douggg clarifies that for us, and that we see that that is the case, I have something to submit that even @Douggg can't get around unless he chooses to be blatantly dishonest instead. Thus undeniably proving Pretrib can't remotely be Biblical since the following I will submit will...

Technically you are placing a gap in the 70 weeks IF I am correct that verse 27 pertains to the 70th week, that none of it is meaning outside of the 70th week. The way you and others are trying to get around that, not all of verse 27 involves events that take place during the 70th week. Only...

I was Pretrib for decades. I clearly did not understand that doctrine at the time. I didn't even bother checking into it, meaning, seeing whether or not that this was actually taught in the Bible. I simply believed it to be true because the churches I was attending at the time believed it to be...

Up to this point I don't really have an issue with any of this unless you are perhaps proposing that they are now bodily in heaven, thus currently in possession of immortal bodies rather than still being in a disembodied state. Because, after all, how could they possibly be in an immortal body...

This 3.5 year tribulation is this supposed to be meaning the last half of this literal 490 days? That it involves this 3.5 years tribulation? If yes, was math anything you were ever any good at? You do know how many years 490 literal days involve, right? It's around 1.36 years if we assume 360...

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we...

Sorry, but totally impossible that can be the case, IMO. Day 1335 is meaning the last day of this age. Look what follows that verse. Daniel 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days. Notice that there are no more mentioning of...

And you of course have the chart that proves what you allege. After all, how could a chart possibly be wrong, right? Especially a chart that Douggg has made. When the 7th trumpet sounds the 42 month reign of the beast is in the past not just beginning instead. The wrath of God, the day of the...

Since Zechariah 14 has been brought up, why would one then argue that Zechariah 14 is not about the 2nd coming when there is the following in the NT? Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15 To...

In any argument, assuming someone is correct, this means that someone is holding the trump card that can't be trumped. It would be like 2 ppl arguing what does 2 + 2 equal? One argues that it equals 4. The other argues that it equals 5, It is then a waste of time, thus totally pointless, for...

Eric, this is a good point you make in regards to satan. Now if you can only do something similar with Revelation 20:7-10, and show, though verse 10 already has the beast and fp in the LOF before satan gets cast in, how they can then be present among those surrounding the camp of the saints? In...

As to this you very well could be right for all I know. Regardless whether you are or not, no hard feelings either way. I'm not going to make this the main focus. If I can say that about others, others then have the right to say that about me in return. IOW, we all have a right to our opinions...