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Jesus is current occupant. As 1 Cor. 15 points out, once Jesus defeats the last enemy (death) in Rev.20 He yields the throne basck to His Father.

I do not know of any pastors who do not hold to this.

I have, you just don't accept the words as literal. That is not the definition posted in over 12 books on TULIP. And if you wish to call me reform one more time, we must end this. I h ave told you over and over I am not reformed nor Calvinist. that is why I am convinced you do not pay...

You are looking for a specific [phraseology and that doesn't appear. It saysthat the unsaved cannot please God. Seeking god pleases HIm so the unsaved will not seek Him. 1 cor. 2 anmd Romans 3 prove that. but as for the specific phrasing of it? noit doesn't meet yourhighly specific...

Well to be clear again, I cannot speak for Calvinism. that is an entire systematic theology. I have for over a dozen threads been talking about TULIP only. Of the which you believe in teh TULP of TULIP, so according to your mouth and fingers you are an insult to teh cross. And your last two...

And yet you still hold to four of the five points of TULIP. YOu have written you hold to the T,U,Land P_. Deny it now

And this showsw the twisted warped way of thinking you view Calvin. Even though you berlieve and adhere to four of the five points of TULUP you cannot erven admit it for the deep hate in your heart.

And yet you believe and hold to four of the five points of TULIP. That makes you 80% demonic and deceived by you reckoning. Of course teh points of TULIP were around long before Calvin. All he did was pull them out of the Bible and make a cutesy anagram of it.

Well of course! We cannot hope to know god and His will apart freom Scripture and the teaching of the pastor/teacher gift ministry.

So you are saying these verses have no application to modern man at all. I wish you would have finished the quote from Romans. 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened...

But these verses do not speak to salvation, and that is what the I in tulip addresses solely. A believer can resist the will of God and suffer the consequences of sin for their resisitance, but they are still saved. Well as I am tqalking TULIP, I cannot answer to your sweeping condmenation...

In those exacts words? NO! but the concept as spelled out in Tulip, yes. Total depravity does not mean a person is as bad as they can be. It means an unsaved person is as bad off as they can be. Irresistible grace- Jesus clearly showed that in JOhn 6. So you are saying mans will in...

Verse 8- If seeking God is something that pleases Him, unsaved man cannot do it! In the above verse? Nowhere! In other passages of Scripture- yes, God changes hearts as He wills.

And this coming from a four point Calvinist! Makes you an 80% devil.

Well it is rejecting who the one true God is! Jesus is just as much God as HIs Father, and the Holy Spirit is just as much God as the Father and son. so, to deny that either or both the Son and Spirit are not God are to reject who God is. It would be the same for exam[ple, if you were married...

Well I am just reporting what JOhn said. He said he wrote those things os people would know they had eternal life.

And all this vitriol and acerbic vile condemnation coming from a person who by definition is a four point Calvinist! I guess that makes you only an 80% demonic patsy. :jest: :jest: :jest: :jest: :jest: :jest: :jest: :jest: :jest:

To reject teh trinity is to reject who God is and thus you are in essence worshipping a false god. If Jesus is not god, He could not be a savior.

We are trust them as they are coorect according to Scripture. We must be like teh Bereans, read their words and then compare them to SCripture, just like we do with modern preachers and teachers.

Romans 8:5-8 King James Version 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against...