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Right. But let's stay on Romans for now and then we'll tackle John 6:44.... which asks the question WHO IS DRAWN BY THE FATHER? All or just a select few? But not now. You think you're not calvinist in theology... or You know you are and think you're leading me around. Back to Romans 1...

YES RJ....I think it's very important to state the truth that is found in the NT. I'm not teaching anything here....I teach kids but I don't see any kids around here. So. Romans 1:19-20 You said that some are saved but the wrath of God is on those that are not saved. OK WHY are they not...

Agreed on the rest so I'll just reply to the core beliefs of Christianity. I want to say that the bible does seem to have some conflicting verses....so I went to the ECFs and read up on what didn't seem very clear. I say "seem" because I believe all is very clear,,,but if we could debate it, it...

Romans 1:19-20 tells you how. I'd like to concentrate on this verse please.

Wrong answer. Why are they not born again? I don't deny what is true. The natural man is alienated from God. This doesn't tell me WHY or HOW he can become aligned with God's spirit. Let's take this a step at a time. Let's concentrate on Romans 1. The above is true. But it's NOT SUPPORTING...

You have to post scripture that states that a person must be born again FIRST and THEN they can believe. Here's what you're doing by your statements:

WHY are they under God's wrath??

Happy to reply B.... But it's dinner time over here. Later...

You don't seem to understand how this works. YOU make a statement. It MUST BE supported by scrpture. You don't post back to ME,,,asking me to prove that you're scripture is wrong - or whatever you said. What does 1 Cor 12:3 have ANYTHING to do with what we're discussing? YOU said we have to...

No Ritajanice.... You're not a new Christian... so.... I asked you to read Romans 1:19-20 and then tell us all what you think it means. THIS is what you must do to continue this conversation... Not come back and tell me something or other (as you accuse me of doing).... What does Romans...

PS It IS a problem....you're not quoting what Jesus and Paul and all the other writers taught. You're quoting what A MAN taught,,,,John Calvin. Again,,,PLEASE show me WHERE in the NT it states that we have to be BORN AGAIN FIRST and THEN BELIEVE. I ask because the NT teaches that we MUST...

Did you read Romans 1:19-20? What do you think it means? Why don't you believe scripture?

I really don't think that anyone posts in order to cause strife. I think persons these days have differing opinions about doctrinal beliefs. I've said many times that the reformation was necessary....but it was also unfortunate. Why? Because it disintegrated the core beliefs of Christianity...

So sorry I missed this post. It's important. At least to me. The gift if FREE because it's not forced onto anyone. This is the point I've been making with another member. The restrictions are only what I've stated till now...GOD MUST BE ACKNOWLEDGED. This is what Hebrews states: Hebrews...

It's not combative.... but I do believe it's very derailing... I like the convo I'm having with you...

SS....nothing is free. Salvation is free in the sense that we cannot work for it. We can do good works all day long forever and without acknowledging God it would be useless. This is because God demands that we have faith in Him and that we love Him. He first loved us,,,,and we need to love Him...

I read it. Did YOU read what I asked you? Do you have a reply? So you're saying we have to be born again FIRST and THEN we can believe? Where does it state this in the NT? Also, this is going to derail this thread so.... What's the difference between BEING BORN and being BIRTHED? Do you...

What's the difference between BELIEVING and TRULY BELIEVING Is there a difference between STEALING and TRULY STEALING Is there a difference between DYING and TRULY DYING Is there a difference between LYING and TRULY LYING You did make one correct statement: "you can freely believe in God"...

Looks like the more we learn, the more it becomes apparent that there MUST be a God out of pure necessity. The cell. It's impossible for the cell to have evolved. It had to be functioning from the very beginning OR IT COULD NOT have done its job! And WHAT tells it to do what it has to do...

A gift could have conditions: A birthday has to accur A place must be reached A ticket purchased - it could be free and more.... Plus, we have to go by what scripture states: In Ephesians 2:8-9 all 3 are gifts: GRACE FAITH SALVATION They're free because we didn't do anything to earn them...