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Excuse me BL.... Are you reformed or not? Exactly what does the above have to do with calvinist theology? HOW is God NOT responsible for man's sin when calvinism teaches that EVERYTHING is predestinated by God? Now, I know that the Confessions state that ALTHOUGH GOD PREDESTINATED...

Marks....I do believe that some calvinists don't even know what calvinists believe. This makes it a problem to discuss anything with any degree of intelligent talk.

So much babble. No scripture. Total misunderstanding of the NT. Could you show FROM SCRIPTURE that man is not free to choose. Can you show us that man DOES NOT have free will.... since every teaching of the NT shows that man does have free will. Since Adam had the free will to choose to obey...

Oh what an intelligent reply Scott Downey. Hows about posting some of them? THERE IS NO VERSE IN THE NT THAT CONFIRMS CALVINISTIC IDEOLOGY. Let me say this again. THERE IS NO VERSE IN THE NT THAT CONFIRMS CALVINISTIC IDEOLOGY. And, there is no one on this forum up to the task of INTELLIGENTLY...

Jordan Peterson said in an interview that some conservative companies don't want college educated kids anymore because they're so messed up. They'd rather have an intelligent high school graduate and then just train them. He thinks, BTW, that universities are becoming unimportant due to DEI...

Yes. We can vote by mailing in a ballot. Problem is: Illigal aliens can vote. Problem is: ID is not required in all states!! Unbelievable. Harris is suing, I think Virginia?, because they want to remove about 6 thou voters from voting because they're ILLEGAL !! IOW, She's fighting for us...

Acts 13:48 is the ONLY verse in the entire NT that comes remotely close to stating what YOU believe.... Unfortunately, it goes to translation... aside from the fact that THERE IS NO OTHER VERSE TO SUPPORT CALVINISM.... and ONE VERSE DOES NOT A DOCTRINE MAKE. Read IF YOU DARE. As many as were...

Oh. We trusted AFTER hearing the word of truth? Oh. I thought we had to believe FIRST and then we'd be enabled to HEAR the word of truth... Maybe you forgot to read one of Calvin's books? Or maybe one of the Confessions....anyone, they're practically all the same.

It's general WC.... Calvinists are not the nicest people in the world. No chapter and verse necessary for what @Behold stated. And, this song and dance is soooooo old and boring... I won't even bother to address it. Believe what you will... you'll answer to God one day and you'll explain to...

Wow! What a nice version. So easy to see that we must believe first and THEN become saved. Time to order yet another bible! Thanks for posting it.

M, I won't be reading that...basically because I don't read much anymore. I do want to say that the conversation with you was very pleasant and cordial, as it should be between two that consider Jesus to be our Lord. I'm not going far....and may be back! Doing some ironing now and waiting for...

I don't see any scripture.... :balloons:

Oh. So now you DO believe God intervened miraculously. OF COURSE....what other method could it possibly have been. OK M. One of us is tired. Maybe it's me. Must bow out of this thread.

Agreed. But we were discussing that God is a father. A human father breeds a human son. If God does any "breeding" He will breed a divine person. See my post 816.... M is saying that God DID NOT intervene MIRACULOUSLY.... My goodness....HOW does M think God intervened??

Explain why it's not correct. In the NT...worship was reserved for God only. I gave scripture. Could you do the same? HOW were men worshipped ACCORDING TO THE BELIEFS OF THE APOSTLES....? They worshipped only God and Jesus since He's God. No man is worshipped by the Apostles.

You agree that God intervened but not miraculously?? What does this mean?? EVERY Christian believes that God intervened miraculously... The alternative is physically...unless you could provide a 3rd method. Luke 1:35 35The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you...

Yes,,,,we are MERE CREATURES. As to worship... The OT definition of worship could have been applied to persons. It was a physical worship... either out of respect or to not get your head cut off. (as @Lambano mentioned). By the NT and up to this day....we worship IN SPIRIT... By the time of...

Oh,,,then why your question as to whether or not God intervened in Jesus' conception? Maybe I misunderstood your post no. 781 where you asked this: Does the Apostles’ Creed suggest to others the idea that God interacted miraculously / supernaturally with the virgin to breed a God? It doesn’t...

WE are MERE MEN compared to God. Since I believe only God can be worshipped, using today's definition... then, yes, we are MERE MEN, and should not be worshipped. "WHO ARE YOUI OH MAN...." Romans 9:20 (and I'm not a calvinist).

It's not up to me M. I just don't like that everyone defines themselves as Christian even if they don't believe Christian IDEAS that were promulgated from just after Jesus died and while He was still alive. It makes the term CHRISTIAN be of no meaning whatsoever. THIS is the reason we need a...