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First let me make it clear that without Jesus shedding His blood on the cross there would never have been the Gospel of Grace. Nor would it be possible for mankind to have a personal relationship with God. So the blood is not the issue under discussion. This discussion is about going on from...

*** You still evade the real question by offering your rational as to the issue of the Jews who believed Jesus was their Messiah and king and Paul's gospel of grace for the whole world by insisting that those Jews were aware of the gospel of grace that did not include the law of Moses (as Paul...

*** Thanks for your input but I do not see where you can say you are keeping the law. After the encounter with the rich man Jesus' Apostles asked Him who then can be saved? Perhaps you should go back and read what Jesus told them. Matt 19:25-26 25 When His disciples heard it, they were...

*** This is true for you but not for me. The law kills, it does not save because no man/woman can keep them. Jesus kept them for us. If He didn't then we are still condemned. Paul is very clear that no one can be saved by keeping the Law. If a person places their faith in the works of the...

*** No. they didn't hear wrong!!! Paul was teaching the Jews that they did not have follow the Law of Moses. Why did you indicate that he didn't??? Did Paul teach that the Jews did not have to keep the law of Moses?? Yes he did but obviously James did not. Gal 5:1-6 5 Stand fast therefore in...

*** I disagree with you and still want to know how you deal with the fact that the Jews were only mad at Paul. If, as you say, they were teaching the same gospel why were the Jews only mad at Paul. You have not answered this question and only wish to make them teaching the same thing. ONLY...

People can say that Paul and James were teaching the some gospel of grace but in order to do it they must turn blind eyes to the truth. Acts 21:20-21 20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord. And they said to him, "You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have...

*** Seems to me that if the 12 (including Peter) was teaching the same gospel as Paul they would have said that under grace no one had to keep the law since Jesus kept it for us. It also seems to me that the gospel of the kingdom was all about the promised kingdom for the Jews and all the 12...

*** What is it in the hearts of some men/women that makes them want to slander others who disagree with them. Cant they see that that is what Satan does? They reduce an OP to talking about the poster, not the subject of the thread.

If you take away the work of Jesus on the cross you are anti-Christ. The only thing that saves a person under God's grace is faith (trust) in the work of Jesus on the cross where He paid for all the sins of the world. And that does not require a church.

Nomad, You wish to say that James was preaching the same gospel as Paul. But James and Paul differed on salvation: The most serious area of disagreement between James and Paul is their explanation of salvation. James indicates that good works must be added to faith to produce salvation. James...

Very good but not completely true. Show me where you got the statement about the Jewish Christians sinning. What you fail to see is that the believing Jews were only mad at Paul. Since, as some say, Paul and the 12 were teaching the same gospel, why were they only mad at Paul????? ---- If...

**** So you deny the inquisitions. Then all the history books are wrong. Man can deny many things. But that does not mean it didn't happen.

James had authority as bishop of Jerusalem, that does not mean Peter had no authority. Just because James spoke last does not mean he made a ruling that had already been made by Peter, it means that James was addressing the Jerusalem community, not the universal Church. Peter isn't mentioned...

The difference between Acts 15 and Acts 21: When we read acts 15:1 we see that some Judaizers (Jewish believers in Jesus) came down from Judea teaching the GENTILES "Unless they are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, they cannot be saved." Because of this, Paul went to Jerusalem to...

Normal people with a modicum of education don't take Baptist Successionism seriously. It appears you are locked in a time warp. They no longer teach your brand of hate in Bible colleges. It is left for you who rejects church authority to demonstrate from Scripture where Christ eliminates the...

So the scriptures I gave are wrong, right? If mine are wrong what about yours? What I see is that you take what was said to Jews under the law and want to impose them on those under grace. That is exactly what the Judaiizers were doing to the Gentile saved under Paul's gospel of grace and it...

When did the church start: Why is it important to know when the church for this age of grace started If we think that the church for this age started with Peter on the day of Pentecost then we must consider that Peter was still a Jew, speaking to Jews, going to the Jewish Temple to worship...

*** Do they really??? 2 Cor 11:13-15 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves...

*** When a church plots murder it is not a church established by Jesus. You wish to define your version of Faith. I will stick to mine. You just refuse to accept that my faith in what Jesus did for mankind on the cross is somehow not faith since it is not sanctioned by your church. Hog...