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    Life in the Millennium.

    We reign not as overseers. Christ always taught that we humble ourselves as servants to each other. I don’t take Reigning as an act of command over lesser subjects. Rather, elevated to a position in authority where previously we were subject to ridicule, persecution and scoffers. Then, when...
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    Life in the Millennium.

    Because when we do reign one day, it won’t be over deniers for the word states all the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord. Every knee shall bow. Do you mean to say what reason will there be for faith?
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    Life in the Millennium.

    Theres a problem here. Rev 20:6 uses the word anastasis which means resurrection. That word only means physical bodily resurrection and never spiritual regeneration. So to say it’s spiritual is literally against the definition and understanding of the word.
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    Life in the Millennium.

    Sooo, everything is spiritual except the part Jesus returning in fire to physically dissolve the earth by literal fire? edit: How do you decide which parts are spiritual and which are not?
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    Life in the Millennium.

    Jeff, Why can’t we be reigning now? If we are reigning now, then Christ is reigning with us. And if that were true, the Kingdoms of this world would be his. And if that were true, the man of sin would already be destroyed. And if that were true, the church would be married and the resurrection...
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    Life in the Millennium.

    Rev 5:10 disagrees: “and they will reign on the earth.” Now, for a 1,000 year reign or a reign that is an extraordinary amount of time, Rev 20- “they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.” The resurrection has not happened. Christ is still our High...
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    Why I'm Premil

    Its not up to us to say someone should apologize. He knows his own speech whether loving or harmful. He’s accountable to God as am I. Instead, we should be praying for each other. Yes, there are many different thoughts on eschatology here. And sadly that causes friction time to time on both...
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    Same ol' Priests and Pharisees :(

    It is also shown in 2 Peter 3:3-4 It has nothing to do with the idea a church preaches premillennialism and everything to do with scoffers denying Christ will come again because it’s taken so long.
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    Why I'm Premil

    Christians don’t need others to apologize regardless. We forgive and move on.
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    What and when is the rapture Part 2

    Our blessed hope isn’t heaven. Christ return is our blessed hope in his epiphania. Our final resting place is Heaven? Where is this learned? 2 Cor 5:1? Really? Are you taking that literally? 1. Verse 1: If we die in this current body, we will be resurrected and given a new body 2. Verse 2: We...
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    What and when is the rapture Part 2

    Yes, many in parables which we can see these same things in Revelation. Example: Wedding feast, the 10 virgins w/the door closing, the harvest parable etc
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    What and when is the rapture Part 2

    I understand now. With the scripture I provided, He does not, or at least none that I’m aware of; but we can find references to things in the OT related to what he said. Example: In regards to Matthew 16:27, Daniel 7:10 Zechariah 14:5 Job 34:11 Psalm 62:12 Proverbs 24:12
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    What and when is the rapture Part 2

    I take these versus to talk about things at his 2nd coming IMHO. And there’s such contention on these forums, I don’t expect much from posting this. Matthew 13:40-43 Matthew 16:27 Matthew 19:28-29 Matthew 25:31-46 Matthew 26:29
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    What and when is the rapture Part 2

    There is a lot to unpack from your questions. I’m not sure I’ll be able to respond to all of them atm. I believe the true church is the Israel of God, spiritually, which was grafted into an already existing true Israel. We did not supersede Israel, but became a part of her. I agree with that...
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    What and when is the rapture Part 2

    With such love from your words, your light does shine brightly towards me. As I said, we don’t see eye to eye and sadly that will not change anytime soon. Im glad you believe the resurrection will not happen until the 6th seal, moving the Pre-TB goal posts somewhat. But as you have gained...
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    What and when is the rapture Part 2

    Youre correct. The resurrection happens on the last day and it precedes the harpazo. For most of the early church, talk was on the resurrection, not the harpazo. The harpazo is really a minor event compared to the first resurrection of all dead to Christ vs. who are alive and remain. Ever think...
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    What and when is the rapture Part 2

    Well, that’s the problem with dispensationalism. I don’t agree with its interpretation. Not all of them recognize the church is part of Israel as others do. Physical Israel does not have blessings, the blessings are to spiritual Israel. To think God is incapable of working with as many as he...
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    What and when is the rapture Part 2

    If I’m following you, you place Babylon’s destruction after the 7th bowl? I look at it like this: 1. Rev 14:8 shows Babylon destroyed before the mark (placing the mark possibly in the first woe) and after the warning of judgment to come as well as the 144k are seen. If a judgment is pronounced...
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    What and when is the rapture Part 2

    1. 7th Trumpet at the end of the world; Agree 2. Babylon to be Jerusalem in The 1st century? Honestly, I’ve never heard that. What do you mean by the 6th trumpet = the 7th seal = the 7th bowl?
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    What and when is the rapture Part 2

    Well thank you. But with your interpretation, Rev 4 does describe the voice like a trumpet. It’s demonstrating the effect of what he hears at that time in symbolism. In 1 Thess, Paul is not speaking symbolically but literally. An archangel, a trumpet of God etc. The same as 1 Corinthians 15:52...