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Keraz, if a person goes to lengths to discourage belief in the rapture/resurrection event to heaven - then why should that person expect to be included - if the event to heaven takes place ?

I don't think that John confused the angels and humans he saw in Revelation with each other.

John did not identify the elders as angels. Whenever there were angels in the text of Revelation, John referred to them as angels. "elders" when used in the bible refers to older, experienced in life, persons - humans, not angels. https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search.php?q=elders

I don't dispute that angels have heads. But the verse, Revelation 4:4, indicates crowns on the 24 elders' heads. Revelation 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads...

No, Daniel 11:36-12:13 is not about Antiochus IV. The willful king of Daniel 11:36-45 is time of the end and cannot be referring to Antiochus IV. In Daniel 11:45, the king meets his end between the seas on God's holy mount - the temple mount. Antiochus IV died elsewhere - in Isfahan, a...

I don't know by specific identity - i.e. someone like Ezekiel - but I am sure that some of them are old testament prophets. Enoch and Elijah are probably 2 of the 24 elders.

In Revelation 4:4, the 24 elders have crowns - so they are not angels, but men.

Trevor, in Daniel 10:14, the angel (who spoke the narrative of Daniel 11-12) who appeared to Daniel said.... Daniel 10:14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days. Then, if you go to Ezekiel 38-39 about the...

Antiochus IV is in Daniel 11:31 as having "placed" the historic abomination of desolation. Daniel 11:35 then transitions to the time of the end. Daniel 11:36 is the time of the end little horn person who in Daniel 8 is said to be a time of the end king. He will be a Jew who has no regard...

This is how William Miller (predecessor to SDA) came up with 1844 as the year of Jesus's return. His big mistake was changing the 2300 days to 2300 years. So what is SDA's current projection for the year of Jesus's return ?

Trevor, the little horn person does not have a 2300 year life span. The 2300 days is 2300 days, not years. The 2300 days fit within the coming 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

Keraz, do you believe the 24 elders in Revelation are in heaven ? If not where are they ?

Hi Jay, thanks for providing Ezekiel 39 from the translation of the bible you are using. I don't think Gog's army will be metaphorically destroyed, but physically destroyed on the mountains of Israel and it open areas. And that Gog's army comes from a geographical direction - from the far...

Jay, is the word "Israel" found anywhere in Ezekiel 39 in the bible translations you are using? Geographically, where will Gog's army be destroyed ? In Ezekiel 39:4.

Keraz, the rejoining of the two nations back into one nation as prophesied in Ezekiel 37 has been fulfilled on May 14, 1948. The land mass of modern day Israel covers the land masses of the two former nations. In Ezekiel 39:4, Gog's armies will be destroyed upon the mountains of Israel, not...

The temple will be cleansed of the things on the temple mount that will have made it desolate from the praise and worship of the One True God. There are 4 things that Jesus will remove to cleanse the temple mount. 1. the statue image of the beast king - it will be turned to ashes. 2. Satan...

Keraz, it is the Jews who were taken captive into the nations for rejecting Jesus. Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. No...

Jesus did not send Christians into captivity. Ezekiel 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there. Ezekiel 39 is about the current...

Ezekiel 39:28 is not speaking about Christians, but Jews. 28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

The term "first resurrection" of Revelation 20:5, is the first of two mass resurrections to take place relative to the millennium. first resurrection - at the beginning of the millennium. And will be expressly for the martyred great tribulation saints. second resurrection - after the...