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  1. Marty fox

    Paul claimed 3 times that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality.

    Amen what an amazing post this says it all and should be a new thread in itself it destroyes any argument against it
  2. Marty fox

    Paul claimed 3 times that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality.

    Paul also said that we are seated with Christ while still living on earth.
  3. Marty fox

    Paul claimed 3 times that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality.

    Paul states that we are already reining in life now. I believe that it is showing that we don’t stop reigning even when we die
  4. Marty fox

    Paul claimed 3 times that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality.

    But if Paul says that he was already raised to life while physically living on the earth then the first resurrection is spiritual
  5. Marty fox

    Paul claimed 3 times that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality.

    First that is an assumption, and second Michael doesn't raise anyone from the dead only God can do that.
  6. Marty fox

    Paul claimed 3 times that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality.

    Of course Romans, Colossians and Ephesians and talking spiritually that was what I wrote. My point was that the three events (seated with Christ, reigning in life and raised to life) are also mentioned in revelation 20:4 so they mus be spiritual too. What I believe it is saying is that even if...
  7. Marty fox

    Paul never claimed Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Because revelation was a message to seven church’s about a soon coming persecution but it was also hope and a promise that Jesus would walk with them through it and that they will prevail weather they perish or not.
  8. Marty fox

    The end nigh – literally – please pray.

    Yes let the spirit do the work after you plant the seeds. Good for you for being obedient and brave for sharing at this time in their lives. How are you doing yourself?
  9. Marty fox

    Paul never claimed Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Why would he only be shown them? It only makes sense if it’s symbolic for all who are killing by the beast.
  10. Marty fox

    Paul never claimed Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    So what if someone was shot for not worshiping the beast?
  11. Marty fox

    Paul never claimed Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    I don't know why you think that OfCourse they were born again before they died and if someone was beheaded do you think that their spirit would be headless? If it was literal would someone not rise if they were shot by the beast instead of beheaded? Beheaded is just an example of being martyred...
  12. Marty fox

    Paul never claimed Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Your only issue is that you added physically resurrected to rev 20:4 is doesn't say that. I believe that it is saying that when they separately physically die they raised back to life separately and still reigning with Jesus. That's why is says "each in turn" in the verses below as in when...
  13. Marty fox

    Paul claimed 3 times that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality.

    Mosses resurrected? Luke 23:43 “Jesus answered him, ‘Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.’” We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.” – 2 Corinthians 5:8 2 Sammual 12:23 But now that he is dead, why should I go...
  14. Marty fox

    Paul claimed 3 times that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality.

    My point is that the three events that Paul mentions reigning in life, raised with Christ and seated in the heavenly realms are spiritual. John mentions these same three events in revelation 20:4 thus they are spiritual as John doesn’t say that they are physical. I’m not saying that Paul is...
  15. Marty fox

    Paul claimed 3 times that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality.

    Then how about Mosses and Elijah appearing with Jesus at the transfiguration?
  16. Marty fox

    Paul claimed 3 times that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality.

    Great observation. It interesting when Paul says "22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him."
  17. Marty fox

    Paul never claimed Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    My point is that the three events that Paul mentions reigning in life, raised with Christ and seated in the heavenly realms are spiritual. John mentions these same three events in revelation 20:4 thus they are spiritual as John doesn’t say that they are physical. I’m not saying that Paul is...
  18. Marty fox

    The end nigh – literally – please pray.

    Will do Christian. Currently my wife is battling breast cancer and has just finished chemotherapy and is having surgery next week. It looks hopeful and God has been good to us through it and given us peace. Give these people hope through Jesus Christ and let them know that they have value...
  19. Marty fox

    Paul claimed 3 times that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality.

    Yes they had to be raised to life to receive the whit robes.
  20. Marty fox

    Paul never claimed Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    That didn't address them and I did say that it was saved people being physically killed in the great tribulation. What you didn't address was the three events that Paul mentioned that are also in revelation 4:20 here they are again 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given...