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Hello to the Original Poster, It's a renewed life in Christ Yeshua. All things become new!

Hello @Behold, You can believe however you want about it. It makes no difference to me. I just think you’re quite confused on the whole situation. Whatever you choose to believe is not between you and me. It’s between you and the one you call Father. You can try to explain to me why you believe...

Hello @Behold, Wrath was against the material Israel kingdom of the twelve tribes. Wrath was not against Jesus, man… I don’t believe what people say on the internet. If you would like to make your own thread about it, that’s fine. You are not doing me any favors by going over the same statement...

Hello @Taken, People can, and will walk away from Yahavah. It's founded in scripture. Once saved always saved, is not a biblical tenant whatsoever. You have to cut a lot of the bible up to make it so. But if people want to just argue and debate this doctrine, it's just the same as children...

People should realize, that the tradition said and spoken out in the world concerning that the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, had "wrath of God" poured out on him... are not correct in their biblical standing; however if anyone could prove me wrong on that I would most certainly change my...

Hello @Behold, I am going on to go back to ignoring you. You just want to bicker and go back and forth. I have no time for it. Good bye. Blessing to you.

People truly misrepresent making God a monster pouring the wrath of God on the only begotten Son... Truly ... baffling to me. I will not change my mind on what I already believe and have come to a conclusion too, neither will other people, but there are two different cups... and Ive never once...

Hello @Behold, Just because you say that, does not make it true... This is the problem with people not properly studying. Two different cups, are not the same cup.

Hello @Behold, The cup of suffering, and the cup of wrath, are very much two different cups. Hello @amadeus. Well met! Thank you for your insights. This blood of Yeshua, was shed for all people making them blank slates, and now have the ability to choose ! With consideration of the victory...

Hello John, I don't understand how blood can be spiritual. What I do see is Yeshua praying for the cup to pass, yet his sweat was like drops of blood. I do understand that yes, that is what Yeshua is referring to concerning his speaking among his friends, apostles, in which even today those...

Hello @Verily I don't think so personally but I would have to go and look at what Vines dictionary says concerning "wrath." I hope you can understand that. I must just not understand what you are saying. It is not helping personally from my side of the equation. Thank you.

Hello @Verily, I simply just do not believe personally within my heart, that God placed his wrath upon him. I do believe that God did forsake him though, for a time due to that sin taking on flesh, only to be risen again on the third day in showing that Yahavah, kept his promises by rising him...

Hello @amadeus, It looks like you see Jesus state what that cup was : This cup is the new testament in my blood: Jeremiah 31:31-34. This is the cup of his death, I suppose, the dying of ourselves in Christ. What do you think and your thoughts on them?

Hello @Behold, Due to part of your assumptions, you are part of the ignored group that I have on here. To help me not get to riled up in my own flesh. I’m not going to say anything other than what I have told you. You have a good rest of your evening, and blessings to you. May you seek out the...

Hello @Behold, That is just not true. Why would God pour his wrath out on his own son whom was perfect? That doesn't make sense... The wrath was poured out Israel, its proclaimed to be done so, in Ezekiel. However this sick and twisted version is indeed not truth, which you profess however, you...

Hello @KUWN Is there some type of spiritual gleaning from this? Even now standing?

Love for the people who have murdered, and things like that!? Even Jesus said - "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do." How amazing is that?

Credit: Heart of the Matter - Shawn McCranney.

Hello @Ritajanice Whatever you would like. Blessing to you.

Hello @Ritajanice, Ephesians does not start with the second chapter, it starts with the first chapter. There is a whole context of contents missing when you do these things. I hope you understand where I am coming from. We do not worship the bible anyway, we learn from it, however we worship a...