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Mark 16:15 has nothing to do with the Ordo Salutis. Read Ephesians 2:8 and please explain how salvation comes before faith: 8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; THROUGH faith we have been SAVED by the Grace of God - God's LOVE...

Where does the bible state that Adam and Eve sinned because God planned for them to sin? Jeremiah 18:4 means that the potter RUINED the vessel. Where in the story of Genesis does it state that God ruined Adam and Eve? Instead, didn't God warn them to stay away from the Tree of the Knowledge...

Hi Victory, I have to agree with @Rita and @Wynona . Every thread can go a little off topic with no consequence to the overall theme. However, what is happening here is totally changing the intent that Wynona had for this thread. It would be easy to tie it into the discussion/topic if it...

Interesting. We learn in Christianity that it's a matter of the heart. Is it or isn't it? If I support abortion, is it sin in my heart? Jesus clarifies this in Matthew 5. If it's not sin in my heart, how does Matthew 5 make any sense?

In Matthew 5 Jesus states that we should pluck out an eye under certain circumstances. Wonder if @Wrangler also takes that literally?

Let's get serious for a minute. Where does Jesus state that children are evil? Do you believe that if a child dies he goes to hell? I may not answer till tomorrow since it's late here... also we're derailing this thread a lot, so I appeal to @Wynona since I'm not sure of the rules of this forum.

Well Ervin, you asked for help, so I'm going to give it. Thank God that even through what you have, and I understand both conditions, you can still know Him and desire to have God in your life. Whatever conditions we have, we'll always be better off having God in our life. Paul and Jesus agreed...

So salvation comes from beating a kid with a rod? Study some soteriology. No further comment. Please stop posting to me. Sorry, things keep coming to mind. Love God Love your neighbor as yourself. The Great two commandments. Would you beat up your neighbor? Isn't a child of yours worth AT...

My morality matches PERFECTLY with biblical teaching. And stop thinking you know me and stop putting words into my mouth. Hope your children are doing a good job of BEATING UP their children. I'm sure that'll work out just fine. No more posts to you.

Hi WH I agree with what you've stated, but this is such a problematic topic ---- just saw it. Jesus could not have sinned or the entire salvation plan would have failed. But if Jesus could be tempted in all ways as we could Hebrews 4:14 WHAT caused Him to be tempted? His soul? WHAT in his...

PS My courage is NOT FAUX.

OK A FATHER THAT BEATS A CHILD IS NOT A MORAL FATHER. BTW, a family CREATES/IS THE BASIS of a society. Thought you might know that.

You don't know me Wrangler. You shouldn't put words into person's mouths. Not a good way to converse. A father THAT BEATS HIS CHILDREN is NOT a LOVING FATHER. And THOSE words came out of YOUR MOUTH. Maybe we could bring POWER into this horrid discussion. WHY is it wrong for my BOSS to make...

Well my dear sir.... do you not believe that Jews have the same EQUAL rights as Christians? Or that Chinese have the same EQUAL rights as Chilians? BUT Do you believe we should all be governed by the system of equity? You really have NOT explained yourself properly.... shouldn't benefits...

This just popped up. It was to another member. Gee Wrangler ... I thought you were a philosopher and all.... Don't you know the difference between EQUALITY and EQUITY? ALL MEN ARE ENTITLED TO EQUALITY. Maybe you should find out the difference if you care to keep the fake PhD after your...

I haven't finished reading the above and will not do so. A society that BEATS ITS CHILDREN is not a MORAL SOCIETY..... End of this conversation.

A few minutes of video (excellently done) covers thousands of pages of what's going on in our world. Too many are sleeping through the changes that will affect our lives forever.

Always agree with you Reggie. Have you ever seen the following on YouTube? It's just too much.....stuff that cannot be believed unless seen. In one episode a girl was shown saying that Helena was good because it wiped out some folk that don't deserve to be alive.... The following is a few...

Well, it must be working because I DID notice it! :blush:

Gosh Bob Estey, I think most will know WHO said what you posted ! What I'm saying is that Jesus came to bring the Kindom of God here on earth. He said to love God and love our neighbor as ourself. He has about 3 chapters devoted to this idea in Matthew 5, 6 and 7. If Jesus aim was not to...