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When half is not 50% and that component ,Declared By Jesus, must be omitted, and you guys manfully declare the word of God is slippery slope.... Well it is obvious some spirit is at work in you to change God's word. Like I told all postribbers. I bring the word. The word and verses you have...

You have one verse that says angels gather saints in heaven. In mat 24.. That is your only supposed "smoking gun" In the rapture, Jesus gathers from earth. So your only verse is reframed by your one liner workbook. You got one reframed. Changed verse ,for your entire false deal!!! You really...

I agree. The prodigal always kept his sonship. He defected . He departed. What was his fate had he not repented? He chose another path. The father only moved towards him after repentance. I totally understand the osas position, and I do hope they are right. I see the other side of the debate...

I am not osas. The Bible does not teach that.

Ahem. Noah is gathered preflood. Lot is gathered pre judgement You have, in som e made up deal, that half the world is saved, half destroyed. And you are totally unaware that JESUS returns, with the Saints, AT THE END OF THE WRATH. IOW, your deal has half the planet, loaded into the ark, but...

Nowhere does it say those left behind are killed. Nowhere. That is some postribber workbook farce . Totally invented.

No fear. I can go toe to toe with you or anyone. Send me your champion. Once we cut through the postribber fluff of one liners and dead men, the Bible gets ya'll every single time. Ducks in a barrel.

When are "all killed" in your doctrine. Remember, ALL ARE KILLED according to you. Who are they???

Just says they are in heaven in the first verses of rev14. You added "killed"

If they think postrib rapture is the white horses invasion , then they are post wrath indeed. Which is impossible Hands down impossible

You still don't get it. I AGREE 50-50 can not be saved vs unsaved. I will never fit. Ahem...that is THE point. You TRANSPOSE the half to the Noah story without realizing it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NOAH. IOW show me any " half taken/ left" in Noah or Lot. THE BIBLE SAYS ( Not me, but JESUS) That...

Postrib rapture doctrine is precatholic, and adopted by the Catholics. Error,by men with incomplete revelation of end times. Which you defend valiantly, but outside scripture.

....and yet mat 24 has 2 comings. Vividly portrayed. But the postrib doctrine originated in pre catholicism and the Catholics adopted it, in alignment to your present doctrine. Your doctrine, ironically, is rooted in catholicism. IOW rooted in and is shown to be error. None of you acknowledge...

Jesus imagined 2 separate comings in mat 24?

That "half saved,half left behind" dynamic in no way fits the Noah or lot story. Yet Jesus used the 2 together to illustrate a pretrib coming. No way around it. The old saying "when in a hole, stop digging" That dynamic, has all postribbs on the "blah blah" hamster wheel ,that poorly thought out...

Yes.more that 50% miss heaven You are getting so close!!!! Yes indeed. Pssst...so the half taken are not your" saved vs unsaved" assumption you just now stumbled on

Lol You just affirmed half are ready. Half are not Just pretend 50% is not half We can just say half to help you out.

Yes all not in the ark die. So let's see if we can transpose that into your doctrine. You guys claim boldly that all die in the flood the same day Noah entered the ark So all die ( Every person on thr planet) immediately, at the start of the trib. Now that is your poorly thought out claim...

You left out...SMH... that before the flood half of some group are taken and JESUS commands to watch and be ready Pre-Flood/ trib.. Ahem... ...FOR HIS COMING So the "7 day/ 6 day" thingy supports nothing in particular, but you think you promoted something. Nope Nothing to see. Strained a gnat...

So, before the flood, who are the 50% taken? Define the group of people that half are taken Define your assumption in eschatology where ALL, EVERY PERSON are killed in the flood and sodom ( leaven no living soul), but BEFORE both Judgements God removed a select few. Please try it thoughtfully