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I do not adhere to OSAS, but amen to the rest. "To whom much is given much is required"......it doesn't seem as though Epi believes the child of God has been given much at all.

In walking after the spirit we do fulfill the Law, nobody is saying otherwise. That is not the point of contention here.

Amen....FAITH was before the Law. He is not wrong about everything in a way, but, unless I'm mistaken, unfortunately Epi seems to be attempting to bring us back under the Law by forgetting or ignoring that the blood of Jesus cries better things than that of Abel. This little thing called...

Amen. The strength of sin is the Law.........but where no Law is there is no transgression.

Yes you complain about it all the time, and you are doing it now, lol. (sorry couldn't resist) ;)

lol, I didn't even know we were in the "Unorthodox forum" . I should wear a sign, "Old Lady Alert...not likely to improve with age, so Beware!" To me I consider the Lord speaking to His own and moving in signs and miracles to be quite orthodox....just another day at the office for Him. Not...

"teachery", not treachery. Sister you wrote an entire lengthy post and I responded to it as I wanted, as did WickStick in his own way. Why are you fixated on one question out of an entire post that you wrote? I have no idea how you are linking the Lord's prayer to the subject at hand, but if...

Think he was responding to your whole post. Rolling one's eyes....communicates something. In my case I'm not answering because it feels like entrapment more than a sincere effort to share instruction. And also I find it annoying when people ask non-rhetorical questions like that on forums in...

Sure but you aren't anybody's "teacher" here that I know of....and Jesus didn't go around calling people clueless....??

We see this differently. Heaven is a realm....a spiritual realm. And it is in the child of God through Christ in us, just as the child of God is also seated in heavenly places because we are in Christ who is seated 'there'. If He is in us we are in Him....."remain in me and I will remain in...

Are you sure about that? or how do you mean it? Wouldn't it be truer to say that until we return that same kind of love we aren't fully matured? Christ not fully revealed in us yet. There is the aspect of growing to consider. Little babes and children belong to the household and are returning...

I don't disagree with him about everything...think he reached deep down into Christ in him with the rest of that post. It's possible I might have misunderstood what he meant about Barabbas and Jesus, I am just not getting the connection. If he would just acknowledge the foundation it might...

No with respect I think it's something you need to talk to Him about. That is my area of contention with you. Christ IN us the hope of glory. We can't be holy unless He has first put it in us. There is no building/edifice without a foundation because have to be building up from it. No other...

Yes but I was being tactful.....

But is there holiness without forgiveness?

Of course not choosing Barabbas over Jesus brother. I'm talking about forgiveness versus holiness. The grace of God and seeking holiness are not mutually exclusive. Hope you are not being disingenuous again. That is not indicative of someone willing to be honest. Though I "don't disagree"...

No we must not abuse His grace, that way leads to death......but that is not the same thing as sometimes inadvertently sinning. And I agree we must seek to be holy....I believe that means to be spiritual, no longer carnal and in the flesh. I don't disagree with all that you say, but you are...

Wondering if throwing out the foundation has affected Epi spiritually and that is why he is unable to grasp the paradoxes of truth that are found in scripture which can only be understood in spirit. It's not about winning arguments but I sincerely hope he reconsiders those foundational things...

yes, that disingenuousness is seen a lot.........and I think we have to accept that it says a lot, sadly.

Yes, but one doesn't disqualify the other.