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Your reasoning is illogical, like say 1+1=3. You're on ignore.

Yes, yes, yes. Well said Renniks. Since only God is without cause, everything has a cause or causes. Those who argue that because God is the cause of existence He must be the cause of evil or unrighteousness miss the point that God has included a capacity for individuals to make choices which...

Why would you infer such a thing and make such a disingenuous remark as that? Adam and Eve had no sin to their account before they disobeyed God, and once they disobeyed God they were sinners.

You are conflating causation with capacity to choose. Red or Green. Choice = Green. Why Green? Causation = My preference.

So, then Whetstone, Whetstone, Whetstone, at what point do you suppose the genealogies recorded in the Bible transition from allegorical representations to real people? Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name...

So why do you think Eve believed the devil's contradiction of God's instruction? I have come across the falsehood that God predetermined Eve to believe the lie of the serpent and then to persuade Adam to partake of the forbidden fruit. Some things are damnable heresies, and the notion that...

Hi Whetstone. None of your examples do justice to the dimension of freewill which God has predetermined His human Creation to function with. Sure there are determining factors in everyone's existence, the foremost being that none of us had any choice in the fact of our conception and physical...

Who do you think is to blame for the Fall?

Exactly again, Behold. As you may be aware the verses below can be said to contain a sorites. so·ri·tes | \ sə-ˈrī-(ˌ)tēz \ plural sorites Definition of sorites : an argument consisting of propositions so arranged that the predicate of any one forms the subject of the next and the conclusion...

A Living Hope Berean Study Bible 1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By His great mercy He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading...

The title of this thread, "Freewill the Devil's Greatest Trick" is one of those grand expressions of opinion that lack substance and reek of emotive exaggeration. There is no logic to the quote above that in essence claims the death penalty for Adam and Eve disobeying God's instruction not to...

Exactly. Being dead in trespasses and sins does not mean an incapacity to hear the word of God, but without it leading us to faith we are actually children of wrath...so much for unchangeable predestination there...while fortuitously the Word of God is living and active, in essence...

I can believe whatever I want, because God has predetermined that I be equipped to choose whom I serve, proving that freewill and predetermination are not mutually exclusive, the same way that the length of an object does not exclude that it also have width or height. Joshua 24:14-15 14 Now...

Thanks for your response, Barbara/Rita. I was raised in the Anglican tradition. The liturgy was set by the hierarchy and clergy were dismissed if they didn't follow it. The old English Act of Uniformity is a real eye-opener on this score. In my time with the Anglicans, which ended 36 years ago...

Yes, thanks for your sage remarks, Amadeus. I was hoping for the sort of observation you have made as it is the gold standard of our fellowship. Nevertheless, I don't think having a guideline of how gatherings should be conducted is prohibited in Scripture. Comments anyone . . .

In the past I was a logistics co-ordinator responsible for putting the Order of Service together and leading the Sunday morning meetings of a congregation I was part of for quite a few years. I also trained interns to do this, but I was always aware that it was an arbitrary call that depended on...

Well, Rudometkin, Adam and Eve's knowledge of good and evil was experiential. They disobeyed God and experienced knowledge of moral failure, becoming aware of something God didn't want them to experience but foreknew as inevitable. The Bible links knowledge and wisdom, and further identifies...

No. This Psalm and its quoting in Acts speaks of hell existing simultaneously with this temporal existence. Psa 16:10 For you will not leave my soul in hell; neither will you suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Act 2:22-27 You men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man...

It wasn't called just the Tree of Knowledge but the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and prior to eating of it Adam and Eve did not have knowledge of good and evil. Their act of disobedience gave them that experiential knowledge in that they knew they had done what they weren't supposed...

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